This thread is for the more intelligent, any intelligent thoughts can be posted here by the more intelligent amongst us.
The thread is dedicated to bosley (bos) who only wants the more intelligent thoughts posted here.

Imagination is more important than knowledge; Einstein

Sorry meant to say Delta P.Delta x - not h (been a long weekend!)

Nam

Ah. We can agree. All theories regarding the universe should be elegantly simple, in my opinion, and those which are not, may well be wrong. I believe many scientists of the modern era look for difficulties where simplicities exist and overlook the obvious because the simple and obvious does not fit with currently accepted hypothesis.
I would wipe away all physics since the general theory and start again. Too much is based on the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, and from a philosophical viewpoint, this is only correct while we are bounded by the laws of time. Step outside of time and the uncertainty disappears. I feel certain that the laws of our universe are not constricted by the fastness of time!!
Anyone for religion?
Alan

Now you really are talking cmplex. Too much for my puny intellect. Must go and count angels on a pin-head. Mine!

Man

Ahem - complex and Nam. (lie down darkened room etc etc)

Nam

bos
Nam means this sort of string not what your talking about.

Theoretical physicists today still use a core technology that was developed in the 18th century out of the calculus pioneered by Isaac Newton and Gottfried von Leibniz.
Isaac Newton derived his three Laws of Motion through close, almost obsessive observation and experimentation, as well as mathematical reasoning. The relationship he discovered between force and acceleration, which he expressed in his own arcane notation of fluxions, has had the most impact on the world in the differential notation used by his professional rival, Wilhelm von Leibniz, as the familiar differential equation from freshman physics:
After Newton accused Leibniz of plagiarism in the discovery of calculus, Leibniz' vastly more convenient and intuitive differential and integral notation failed to become popular in England, and so the majority of advances in the development of calculus in the next century took place in France and Germany.
At the University of Basel, the multitalented Leonhard Euler began to develop the calculus of variations that was to become the most important tool in the tool kit of the theoretical physicist. The calculus of variations was useful for finding curves that were the maximal or minimal length given some set of conditions.
Joseph-Louis Lagrange took Euler's results and applied them to Newtonian mechanics. The general principle that emerged from the work of Euler and Lagrange is now called the Principle of Least Action, which could be called the core technology of modern theoretical physics.
In the Principal of Least Action, the differential equations of motion of a given physical system are derived by minimizing the action of the system in question. For a finite system of objects, the action S is an integral over time of a function called the Lagrange function or Lagrangian L(q, dq/dt), which depends on the set of generalized coordinates and velocities (q, dq/dt) of the system in question.
The differential equations that describe the motion of the system are found by demanding that the action be at its minimum (or maximum) value, where the functional differential of the action vanishes:
This condition gives rise to the Euler-Lagrange equations which, when applied to the Lagrangian of the system in question, gives the equations of motion for the system.
As an example, take the system of a single massive particle with space coordinate x (in zero gravity). The Lagrangian is just the kinetic energy, and the action is the energy integrated over time:
The Euler-Lagrange equations that minimize the action just reproduce Newton's equation of motion for a free particle with no external forces:

The set of mathematical methods described above are collectively known as the Lagrangian formalism of mechanics. In 1834, Dublin mathematician William Rowan Hamilton applied his work on characteristic functions in optics to Newtonian mechanics, and what is now called the Hamiltonian formalism of mechanics was born.
The idea that Hamilton borrowed from optics was the concept of a function whose value remains constant along any path in the configuration space of the system, unless the final and initial points are varied. This function in mechanics is now called the Hamiltonian and represents the total energy of the system. The Hamiltonian formalism is related to the Lagrangian formalism by a transformation, called a Legendre transformation, from coordinates and velocities (q, dq/dt) to coordinates and momenta (q,p):

The equations of motions are derived from the Hamiltonian through the Hamiltonian equivalent of the Euler-Lagrange equations:

For a massive particle in zero gravity moving in one dimension, the Hamiltonian is just the kinetic energy, which in terms of momentum, not velocity, is just:
If the coordinate q is just the position of the particle along the x axis then the equations of motion become: which is equivalent to the answer derived from the Lagrangian formalism.
Classical mechanics would have had a brief history if only the motion of finite objects such as cannonballs and planets could be studied. But the Lagrangian formalism and the method of differential equations proved well adaptable to the study of continuous media, including the flows of fluids and vibrations of continuous n-dimensional objects such as one-dimensional strings and two-dimensional membranes.

The Lagrangian formalism is extended to continuous systems by the use of a Lagrangian density integrated over time and the D-dimensional spatial volume of the system, instead of a Lagrange function integrated just over time. The generalized coordinates q are now the fields q(x) distributed over space, and we have made a transition from classical mechanics to classical field theory. The action is now written:

Here the coordinate xa refers to both time and space, and repetition implies a sum over all D+1 dimensions of space and time. For continuous media the Euler-Lagrange equations become with functional differentiation of the Lagrange density replacing ordinary differentiation of the Lagrange function.
What is the meaning of the abstract symbol q(x)? This type of function in physics that depends on space and time is called a field, and the physics of fields is called, of course, field theory.
The first important classical field theory was Newton's Law of Gravitation, where the gravitational force between two particles of masses m1 and m2 can be written as:

The gravitation force F can be seen as deriving from a gravitational field G, which if we set x1=0 and x2=x, can be written as:
Newton's Law of Gravitation was the beginning of classical field theory. But the greatest achievement of classical field theory came 200 years later and gave birth to the modern era of telecommunications.
Physicists and mathematicians in the 19th century were intensely occupied with understanding electricity and magnetism. In the late 19th century, James Clerk Maxwell found unified equations of motion of the electric and magnetic fields, now known as Maxwell's equations. The Maxwell equations in the absence of any charges or currents are:
Maxwell discovered that there exist electromagnetic traveling wave solutions to these equations, which can be rewritten as and in 1873 he postulated that these electromagnetic waves solved the ongoing question as to the nature of light.
The greatest year in classical field theory came in 1884 when Heinrich Hertz generated and studied the first radio waves in his laboratory. Hertz confirmed Maxwell's prediction and changed the world, and physics, forever. Maxwell's theoretical unification of electricity and magnetism was engineered into the modern human power to communicate across space at the speed of light. This was a stunning and powerful achievement for theporetical physics, one that shaped the face of coming 20th century as the century of global telecommunications.
But this was just the beginning. In the century that was just arriving, the power of theoretical physics would grow to question the very nature of reality, space and time, and the technological consequences would be even bigger.


jimmy, I hope your keeping up.

I really must go back to the NOWT thread !! my head hurts....

it's still string.

Driver

That is the abridged 101 version quoted there. Hope Bos isn't feeling too STRUNG OUT!

Nam

I like this bit, so self-explanatory,
Functional differentiation of the Lagrange density replacing ordinary differentiation of the Lagrange function.

String Theory:

Rule No. 1: Don't take your fishnet tights off too fast or you'll look like a waffle.

Rule No.2 - never explain, never complain!

Nam

Hewitts first law; Everything will cost more and take longer than estimated.
Hewitts second law; Hewitts first law still applies even when you take Hewitts first law into account.

too true, alan . too true. i discovered that when i began renovating my house 3 years ago. nearly finished........

So what your saying is , it's going to cost me more and take longer even though i thought it would ...

yes. even though you know it will , it still does......

In a nutshell.......

Its lonely on the nowt thread.

DocProc's Rule No 1: Never miss a chance to either have sex or complain - and don't explain.

DocProc

Before or after, both or either?

Nam

Just got back from the Doc. He said I was a paranoid schizophrenic. Well he didn't exactly say that but we know what he was hinting at.