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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Claret Dragon - 03 Jan 2017 13:31 - 6018 of 12628

Happy New Year.

Good news about Manufacturing. Got to take the positives.

Dil - 04 Jan 2017 11:05 - 6019 of 12628

Even better news about remoaner Sir Ivan leaving.

Get a fresh face in with no baggage.

mentor - 04 Jan 2017 11:42 - 6020 of 12628

re - Ivan - resigned

'muddled losing brain' is what he got and can not get over like a couple over here

no much point in having the "Barsteward" still on the post after being on the wrong side.

Exposed the Barsteward with a pic with the other loser

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mentor - 04 Jan 2017 12:09 - 6021 of 12628

re - Ivan - resigned

He was the main negotiator in the EU before the Referendum and got nothing for the UK and that is why Cameron had to do the referendum

2517GEORGE - 04 Jan 2017 12:35 - 6022 of 12628

He fought like a mouse to get us diddley squat, and succeeded.
2517

Claret Dragon - 04 Jan 2017 12:57 - 6023 of 12628

Ivan

Adios
Auf Weidersehen
Au Revoir

Goodbye if your interested in the British term.

grannyboy - 04 Jan 2017 14:20 - 6024 of 12628

Or just F.O is quite appropriate to a weak brainwashed europhiliac brown
noser...

ExecLine - 04 Jan 2017 14:34 - 6025 of 12628

"Ivan, you are looking a bit scruffy and so, after doing your Bresignation, do up your tie and give your hair a bit of a comb."

ExecLine - 04 Jan 2017 14:50 - 6026 of 12628

Andrea Leadsom says, that after Brexit:

1. The '90,000 Seasonal EU Berry Pickers' will still be able to come over and help our farmers.
2. The farmers will still be OK for getting the temporary seasonal staff from the EU as before and as above.
3. Our 40,000 farmers will be able to grow what they want and won't have to abide by the EU rule which says they must go at least 3 Crops per year.
4. Neither will the farmers have to display billboards showing they get EU subsidy.

She reminds how dealing with Brussels "red tape" and farm inspections is estimated to cost £5 million a year to the industry and takes up 300,000 hours, as she declared slashing EU regulations will free up farmers to grow more food.

Unfortunately, she does get slammed for her comments being a bit ill-considered and too much like head-lines.

More at: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/750115/Brexit-Environment-Secretary-Andrea-Leadsom-UK-farmers-EU-migrant-labour-seasonal-workers

Fred1new - 04 Jan 2017 15:04 - 6027 of 12628

Was that "headlines" or "head lice", or just bees in the bonnet?

VICTIM - 04 Jan 2017 16:12 - 6028 of 12628

Is that shot of Dave with Ivan the terrible a Madam Tussauds dummy they pulled out the back of no 10 there . A bit too lifelike for me too much makeup to cover his blushes maybe . 6021

mentor - 04 Jan 2017 17:16 - 6029 of 12628

re - Ivan - resigned

Anyway he was useless before on not getting a better deal
so on losing the vote, there was " No Heart " on any future negotiations on his part.

Good riddance

Fred1new - 04 Jan 2017 17:27 - 6030 of 12628

~Yes.

He should have taken a Kalashnikov with him when he negotiated with Cameron.


He would have shown Europe he was a tough negotiated and didn't take no for an answer.

You have to take tanks to Europe for the Brexit War to TELL Europe what they have to agree to.

Show them who is boss.

=-=-=-=-=

LOL

Fred1new - 04 Jan 2017 17:29 - 6031 of 12628

Or better than that, send Boris and IDS in the underpants, so they can have a laugh.

grannyboy - 04 Jan 2017 20:42 - 6032 of 12628

little fred 6031, you seem to have the same mindset as those murderers in the
Charlie Hebdo massacre and the recent attack on the night club in Turkey plus
the many other atrocities carried out..

You're not one of those from the religion of peace are you?!!!...

Dil - 05 Jan 2017 10:09 - 6033 of 12628

Fred , the only thing they need to know is that we are leaving and will no longer be abiding by their crappy rules and regulations.

They want a deal that's up to them.

Hardly need a brain surgeon to get that message across.

2517GEORGE - 05 Jan 2017 10:20 - 6034 of 12628

I don't recollect there being this much fuss when the EU was stripping us of the powers that we now want returned.
2517

Fred1new - 05 Jan 2017 11:32 - 6035 of 12628

Dil,

Apply for the Tim Barrow's job when it comes up.

The UK sorely needs somebody with your negotiating skills.

PS, take GB to Brussels with you and leave him there.

cynic - 05 Jan 2017 11:48 - 6036 of 12628

i know it sounds rather supercilious, for which i apologise, but a number of you on here are either incredibly naive or blinkered or wear rose-tinted specs or any combination of same

nothing but nothing can or will be speedy, let alone straightforward and simple in breaking (to a greater or lesser degree) with EU nor in setting up separate and/or new trade deals in the rest of the world

Fred1new - 05 Jan 2017 12:12 - 6037 of 12628

Manuel,

I would never make the first remark regading you.

(I would just choose different words. (8-) )

But I agree with you second comment.

-=-==


(Sometimes I wish we hadn't banned one of the words you used frequently in the past.)
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