Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Very amusing to watch the anti austerity marchers in Central London. There seems to be quite a ragbag collection there; SWP, anti nuclear etc. They haven't grasped that somewhere around 70% of the population support the cuts.

www.ft.com › UK
20 Apr 2015 -

George Osborne's plan to make further cuts to Britain's welfare bill has the support of 75 per cent of voters

39%

Haystack,

I believe rain is forecast. Some of them are probably in dire need of a good wash.

Ipsos MORI’s monthly political monitor is out, their first since the election. Topline figures are CON 39%, LAB 30%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 8%, GRN 6%.

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Most of them!

Hilary,

Very few people recognise their own smell and some who are tainted are not cleansed by washing.

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If the EU zone collapses which countries will be the winners?

All the so called failed ones for a start Fred.

Do you mean the UK has similar characteristics to the failed states and should join them?

Labour’s Kezia Dugdale Holyrood election warning


Scott MacNab
02:52Sunday 21 June 2015 14:06Saturday 20 June 2015
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Labour’s Scottish meltdown could get even worse at next year’s Holyrood election, Kezia Dugdale has admitted.

The leadership frontrunner yesterday delivered a stark warning about the scale of the task she faces to revive the party’s fortunes in Scotland as the younger generation turn to the SNP.


If I am elected leader I won’t stand for business as usual just because it’s inconvenient to say otherwise. I’m going to shake things up.
Kezia Dugdale



She has also revealed that Labour members could push for a vote on becoming fully independent from the UK party amid emerging calls from grassroots members.

Dugdale said she had been “shocked” by a TNS poll last week which suggested that 80 per cent of people aged 25 to 34 would be voting SNP in next May’s Holyrood election – and just 5 per cent would be backing Labour.

“We may not be at the bottom of where the Labour party could get to in Scottish public life,” Dugdale told supporters.

“There might be another storm coming,” she said.

“That’s part of the reason why I’m stepping up because I think I’m best placed to try to speak to that generation, to understand their hopes and aspirations – and to realise that in terms of policy. But it’s rooted in our values.”

Writing in Scotland on


Sunday today Dugdale also sets out the need to win back the under-35s after only a “tiny fraction” voted Labour in May’s election

“That has serious implications about our long-term

future as a Party if we don’t reverse that trend,” she says.

“Having a leader who is part of that younger generation would help.”




Labour has not been focused enough on Holyrood and the Scottish Parliament since devolution, Dugdale said.

“We’ve had election cycle after election cycle where we got it wrong and still didn’t fix it – until a couple of weeks ago when the electorate fixed it for us.

“The electorate decided for us that the centre of Scottish politics for Labour was the Scottish Parliament.”

The party must address the issue of how it “presents itself”, she added.

“We were very, very good at saying to people, ‘here are all the things that are wrong with Scotland’,” she said.




“There’s a lot of people on low pay, so we’re going to introduce a living wage. “There are lots of people out of work, so we’re going to create job opportunities for young people.

“The NHS is a mess, so we’re going to employ 1,000 more nurses. Problem, problem, problem – fix, fix, fix.

“We made people feel bad about Scotland. We have the opportunity of a better life or a better future.

“What the SNP did, in my view, was to say ‘Scotland’s great, it would be so much better if you vote for us’.”

Dugdale will today unveil plans to overhaul the party’s internal structures, which could let grassroots members bring forward a vote on an independent Scottish Labour party at future conferences.

Leadership rival Ken Macintosh, in a separate article for today’s paper, has pledged to adopt a “less aggressive and adversarial” style if he wins the party leadership.

“Every week at First Minister’s Questions we seem to simply blame the Scottish Government for everything that’s wrong in Scotland, we constantly define ourselves by who or what we’re opposed to, when we should be talking with conviction, hope and passion about the successful and fairer Scotland we want to create.”


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There's everything you need to know about the failings of Socialism in one interview. Shame is she doesn't realise how dim it all sounds.

An economic problem? Don't worry: the government will fix it. And market forces don't really exist so everything will be just fine.

So, if there are unemployed people, she says the government will just "create job opportunities" to fix it. And if people are not very well paid, the government will again just pass a law to say their wages must be higher.

There is an utter poverty of analysis here and no willingness to ask searching questions about causes and consequences, doubtless because she wouldn't like the answers which would conflict with her ideological preconceptions.

There is no attempt to ask why we still have so much unemployment or why the less-skilled in particular are often on low pay. Yet a key question to ask is why we're importing large numbers of foreign citizens who are finding it both possible and attractive to come here and take those sorts of jobs. It simply can't therefore be a shortage of "job opportunities" in this country that lies behind our having so many native unemployed when we're importing so much additional labour. So the government will clearly be unable to address this problem by just magicking-up some more "job opportunities". Worse, if foreign workers are coming here in such numbers to take jobs because they find the current pay levels attractive, what does this cloth-headed woman imagine will happen to the inflow of foreigners if the government legislates to ensure local wages actually go up? Does she seriously reckon that many more foreigner workers won't be attracted to come?

But then Socialism involves repudiating reality and operating as though in an alternative universe where the inconvenience facts on the grounds don't exist, where the laws of supply and demand are merely an invention of the nasty "neoliberals" which one's policies should ignore, and where one's well-meaning idealistic fantasies always come good.

Andy Burnham: I knew ‘spiteful’ mansion tax was toxic when mum phoned to complain
Labour leadership frontrunner says his mother warned policy was return to 1970s



By Rosa Prince, Assistant Political Editor10:10AM BST 21 Jun 2015 Comments75 Comments
Andy Burnham, the frontrunner for the Labour leadership, has described Ed Miliband’s flagship mansion tax policy as “spiteful” and disclosed that his mother telephoned him to warn it was a vote-loser.
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In an interview, the 45-year-old suggested that his party had become “toxic” by the time of the last election, and promised that if he became leader he would return Labour to the mass appeal it enjoyed under Tony Blair.
His words are being seen as a bid to escape being pigeonholed as the Left-wing, union candidate in a contest which has become a three horse race, with rivals Liz Kendall representing the Right and Yvette Cooper the centre ground. Jeremy Corbyn, on the far-left, is seen as a rank outsider.
Rejecting the characterisation that he is the “Ed Miliband continuity” candidate, Mr Burnham took a series of swipes at the former leader, saying that he was not consulted about the party’s infamous “mansion tax” plan to charge those living in homes worth more than £2 million a levy of thousands of pounds a year.



Andy Burnham is seeking to distance himself from Ed Miliband
Describing the policy as “spiteful” and anti-aspirational, he said he knew it would lose votes when his mother Eileen phoned and told him it represented a return to the 1970s.
“It felt spiteful and went against the grain," he said. “We need to get back to communicating simple policies that will make a real difference to people.
“Labour looks like an elitist Westminster think-tank talking in language that people don’t understand. We lost our mooring.”
Under his leadership, Mr Burnham said, renters would be offered help to buy their home.



n a damning assessment of Labour under Gordon Brown and Mr Miliband, Mr Burnham went on: “We’ve lost our way in the last decade. A sense has built up that we aren’t in favour of people getting on. That is toxic.


“‘Labour said one thing to one group and something else to another. It is a bad habit that we have to break.
“People want the same things everywhere. It’s not rocket science. You don’t need thousands of policies, just credible ones. In its early days New Labour spoke to people at all levels of society. We have to get back to that.”
Contrasting himself with Mr Miliband, Mr Burnham said he had: “‘never been part of a golden set, never spent my weekends in London. I don’t live and breathe politics.”
Asked if, like Mr Miliband, he would agree to be interviewed by the left-wing comedian Russell Brand, he said: “I won’t be beating a path to his door.”
Despite his condemnation of Mr Miliband, Mr Burnham said he would still offer the former leader a seat in his shadow cabinet.
And he told the Mail on Sunday he was tired of speculation that he wears mascara on his famously long eyelashes, adding: “I’d get rid of them tomorrow if I could.”




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It seems as though a majority of the Labour Shadow Cabinet didn't believe in a word of Miliband's policies. Either they are dishonest or they are spineless or both! What is the point in having a Shadow Cabinet if none of the members take any responsibility for the decisions that are taken? If they didn't speak up to point out Miliband's many errors when they hd the chance what confidence can anyone have that they have any credible leadership qualities?


Funny how ALL of these labour candidates claim that they were against the Labour policies held just a couple of months ago and secretly thought that Miliband was a complete idiot, but wholeheartedly supported him in public. Were they being dishonest, lying hypocrites then, or are they being dishonest lying hypocrites now?



The idiocy of the 'mansion tax' was in its name. By all means tax houses/flats worth more than £10 million, especially if owned by non-residents, but to suggest that at 3 bedroom terraced house in, say, Fulham, is a mansion is simply absurd. The real vote loser for Miliband was his crawling to see Russell Brand. Yesterday's hate-filled march showed why the Labour left is unelectable.



"Andy Burnham, the frontrunner for the Labour leadership, has described Ed Miliband’s flagship mansion tax policy as “spiteful” and disclosed that his mother telephoned him to warn it was a vote-loser."

It is somewhat worrying that the front runner for the Labour leadership didn't realise the mansion tax policy was a vote loser until his mother told him.
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It's a bit rich for JK Rowling to cry 'racist' now
The Harry Potter author is right that the SNP can be nasty. But it was the Labour Party she funded that put them where they are



By Simon Heffer8:10AM BST 21 Jun 2015Comments173 Comments
When my children were small I endured a seven-hour car journey violated by an unabridged Harry Potter audiobook, and ever since I have had negative feelings about J K Rowling. However, she is right to highlight the vicious, anti-English nature of some in the Scottish National Party. It is an extension of the intimidation SNP supporters pretend the Yes campaign did not deploy in the referendum.


It is not only English people I know in Scotland who tell me of the racist hostility towards them, but also ethnic Scots considered to be a bit too “north British” for some separatist tastes. I heard just last week of several such people who are selling up and moving south because of the toxic climate: and the more the Sturgeons of this world brush this loathsomeness under the tartan hearthrug, the worse it will get.
But Miss Rowling should recall that it was a party she helped fund and a man to whom she was politically devoted, Gordon Brown, who let the SNP genie out of its bottle, believing devolution would create a permanent Labour fiefdom in Scotland. He was wrong, as we knew he would be.
I do hope she reflects on this as she drowns in her loch of anti-Sassenach bile.



Of course the Palace of Westminster, Pugin’s and Barry’s masterpiece, must be evacuated and renovated, whatever the cost or inconvenience. England is the Mother of Parliaments. The image of the palace on the Thames symbolises more, however, than just our country, but a culture celebrated last week with the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta.
Parliament’s rebuilding after the Blitz in 1941 was about this, too. Let MPs meet in Methodist Central Hall, or the QEII centre for a few years: we don’t want the expenses binge contingent on the stunt of their convening in some futuristic hangar in the West Midlands.



If British citizens join Isil, they are committing treason
Mr Cameron is right to deplore the connivance of some of our Muslims at radicalising young people to go on jihad and then, if they survive, to import jihadi ways into our society. Words, however, will not make the slightest difference. We keep being told that people such as the three women who have taken their children to Syria are “British”. So they are.



They are, however, in league now with an organisation committed to the overthrow not just of our society, but of all western societies. By going abroad to assist the terrorism that would achieve these ends – or, indeed, to assist it here – is, given they are British, an act of treason.
Why, then, has none of those arrested on the return from the war zone for involvement with Isil been charged with treason? It is not just about retribution, or finding a charge which, if they are convicted, merits a very long sentence: it is about showing this community that, being British, their first loyalty is to our society and to its values. We are all equal under the law, aren’t we? So let’s have it implemented equally.
simon.heffer@telegraph.co.uk



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The article unfairly blames Ms Rowling for the rise of the SNP, because of her support for Labour and its devolution policy. It is arguable that Scotland would be independent now if devolution had not occurred. Only the Scottish voters take responsiblity for the result of an election, or referendum. They will make their own bed and lie in it, for better or worse.
Also Ms Rowling has been on the end of personal abuse from extreme nationalist sympathisers, so she has a moral right to answer back.



Isn't it strange, how left wing, socialist minded nationalists, hate success.
JK Rowling is one of the most successful authors in the world. We should be proud that she has chosen Scotland to live in.
Instead, narrow minded Nats, continue to criticise her, for wanting to stop the UNITED KINGDOM from being destroyed. Incredible really



The people of Scotland will decide when to have a new referendum, not any one politician. With 56 [out of 59] SNP MPs elected post-referendum a new vote for Scotland regaining its independence will occur very soon.



Yeah, I am sure all those comfortably off, well pensioned , mainly public sector employed , middle class scots will vote for UDI proclaimed by a marxist socialist SNPee administration. The middle classes champagne socialism and greed won't stretch that far,


As a Unionist I think another vote in the short term is a good idea. I am not in the least bit phased by the current SNP strength. The economic case last time was shambolic and it has only worsened since. Two No's in fairly short space of time really do put it to bed for a long, long time.

In short, bring it on. Let's see what actually happens though, shall we!?


"Two No's in fairly short space of time really do put it to be for a long, long time." Nope.


How's that NSO revenue that will finance an IScotland looking?

What's plan B for funding this northern Nirvana?


could have sworn the result of the election was a majority Conservative government. It's absolutely beautiful :)



The SNP won 95% of the Westminster seats in Scotland

'Scotland does not need a referendum on independence, she just needs to send a majority of nationalist MPs to Westminster to have a mandate for independence.'

..........Margaret Thatcher


LOL - how funny to see a ScotNat actually quote Margaret Thatcher.

The futile 56!

Labour will come back in Scotland as will the other parties. The GE was an oddity. I don't think it was such a landslide for SNP. You must remember that it was not such a long time since the referendum. My take on what happened, was that the referendum produced a monumental turnout. The GE maintained that level of voter turnout but only for the Scotland Out faction, which was SNP in the main. The other voters reverted to their usual turnout levels. This gave a huge bias towards SNP. When the Scots gets bored with elections again as most of the UK are, there will be a resurgence of voting for other parties. Although the SNP did get a landslide in terms of seats, they didn't win many with large majorities. It may be relatively easy to overturn many seats. History has shown that parties that gain so much success so quickly, often crash and burn later.

The Butchers from Tory Land

I can never understand what all the fuss is about Stonehenge ?....mystery...nobody knows what it's all about ?......I keep on looking at it and you know ..: I've come up with the conclusion that it must have been a center for failed stone carving pyramid trials !....