Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Haystack
- 16 Nov 2012 12:53
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It was John Major that really got the peace pocess under way in NI. The community peace process grew on the back of that.
TANKER
- 16 Nov 2012 12:56
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hamas must be kicked out they is no place for terorist hamas .
the president can move to any one of is many homes he as bought with aid money
is bank balance is huge with the robbing of aid money
cynic
- 16 Nov 2012 13:06
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Northern Ireland
thanks to both MNA and (even!) HS for the sensible (and intelligent!) input
a little bit "chicken and egg" with regard who got the movement towards peace going
however, i don't think either of you would disagree that had not the general public of both persuasions created a fertile, vocal and significant groundswell, the politicians would neither have got round the table, nor a workable solution tabled and accepted by nearly all
mnamreh
- 16 Nov 2012 13:09
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cynic
- 16 Nov 2012 13:10
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and hence the analogy with m/e
Haystack
- 16 Nov 2012 13:27
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I don't have any good long term views on NI. The joint management agreement with the IR was accepted by the IRA for several reasons. Firstly, the leaders such as Gerry Adams were not getting any younger. Secondly they viewed it as a transition towards a united Ireland. The united Ireland is a myth and when the supporters of the IRA see that, there will be a resurgence of violence. This is beginning to happen now with bigger and bigger bombs being deployed. The peace agreement has been a temporary sticking plaster on a serious wound. It still festers underneath and will erupt at some point. I know people on both sides (I am from Southern Irish Catholic ancestors) and their attitudes have changed little since the current peace. A united Ireland is pretty much impossible and separation has its own problems. The story is the same with all artificially created boundaries such as Korea, India, Cyprus, Ireland, Vietnam. even the factions in Belgium hate each other and it is caused by artificially creating the country about 150 years ago.
cynic
- 16 Nov 2012 13:33
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Northern Ireland (only!)
currently the peace works well enough though there inevitably remains a small hardcore of lunatics on both sides ...... no one could ever expect a lasting solution to come in just a single generation, as the hate element can only be bred out through intelligent parenting, education and experience of children of all colours and creeds playing and growing up together
magicjoe
- 16 Nov 2012 13:43
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LETS SEE WHO IS SHOUTING LOUDER
Its FRIDAY but
Some of them did not go to the Mosque
and others did not bother to go the the Weeling Wall
Some and others are given their opinion
The Palestinians are shouting...
We want our land back
The Israelis are shouting back...
The British give it to us
and the US is behind us

V
Gausie
- 16 Nov 2012 15:51
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Had my response from the israeli embassy:
Dear Mr Gausie
Thank you for your suggestion as to how we might prevent being targets of future Hamas rocket attacks.
Unfortunately, your idea of rebuilding the cities and towns in southern Israel out of old copies of the Quran is not deemed practical at this particular time.
Yours
Israeli Embassy
Hey ho. I thought it was a great idea.
Haystack
- 16 Nov 2012 16:20
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Rockets have hit Jerusalem. Hamas say they are aiming at the Knesset (Israeli parliament)
cynic
- 16 Nov 2012 17:22
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clearly they're not very good at their job then :-) ...... much easier just to set fire to it as was done to the reichstag
TANKER
- 16 Nov 2012 18:10
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slime you still here slime should be washed away .
it is fitfhy shit
TANKER
- 16 Nov 2012 18:11
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the israels should go in and move the babys from infront of the cowards
TANKER
- 16 Nov 2012 18:13
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hamas hide behind infants they are lower than cowards more like rats .
Haystack
- 16 Nov 2012 18:59
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If you read the transcripts of ex Israeli soldiers who were in the last ground offensive in Gaza, you will see that they were told to use Gaza children as shields. They also went into houses and killed all the unarmed people in there. There is a well documented case where they burst into a bedroom and shot dead an old man who was sleeping in bed.
Haystack
- 16 Nov 2012 19:05
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Tanker
You need a brain transplant apart from lessons in basic English, grammar and spelling. You seem to have reading/writing age of around 5 years old.
Fred1new
- 16 Nov 2012 19:42
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Ahoy
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I think the most efficient route to peace is education. We had over 50 years to educate the people of that region, but didn't do that. Now internet is helping a lot, time will resolve the issues, I believe."
You are entitle to your belief and in some ways I would agree with you, but many of the areas we plundered were previously educated to a better standard than our own although they social concepts and "morality" were different, but were perhaps in a period of decadence rather than social evolution
(The UK is to-day sliding into such a relative state of decline.)
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Tanker,
Change seats and read back through your previous e-mails and I think you may observe that you preach violence more than the majority who spout on this thread.
That is your entitlement,but you may be able to question your remarks from your more obvious antagonists.
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Haystack,
At 73 I am still dyslexic, but thanks to multiple decisions and insights earlier and the computer with its spelling checkers etc. I am able to write "prose", which at least I can understand myself.
But I sometimes wish tinker would develop a little more insight, unless he is taking the "Mick".
If so I congratulate him.
Perhaps, I would appreciate in contributions more.
However, we do agree on some things.
Perhaps, one day it may be worth a beer or a glass of the Beaujolais Noveau, which I am drinking at the moment. Tastes better than usual.
Perhaps worth laying down some Burgundies for next few years.
Don't challenge that. Just try some Rhone 2011s.
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N,
Did I miss anything before the ..
Regards.
cynic
- 16 Nov 2012 20:00
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BN is crap - it was just a very clever marketing ploy dreamt up in 70s if i recollect correctly, to shift a stack of very average and acidic gamay grape juice ....
do not confuse beaujolais (gamay) with burgundy (pinot noir), for they have nothing to do with each other .... i would also have very grave doubts that 2012 burgundy - very difficult to make really good stuff in the best of years - will be worth buying at all, at least for a private cellar.
on the other hand, if you can get hold of 2009 (and 2010 from memory) beaujolais villages (fleurie, moulin a vent etc) from really good producers (forget the negociants like jadot, duboeuf and that ilk), then grab it .... the really good ones still have several years improvement and life
Fred1new
- 16 Nov 2012 21:55
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Cynic,
I was suggesting for personal abuse not investment.
Over the years have sampled more than I should have of Burgundies and Bn.
I prefer Burgs to Bordeaux, but refused to pay the price expected for them.
Some of the years I bought BNs and kept for 2-3 years and in spite of what is generally conceived they improved. (Not all years.)
Generally, kept when there was a lot of "body" to them.
The BN I have tasted so far have had good body and seem worth a chance at their prices.
You can always uses them for cooking or pickling lamb and presenting it as venison, if they are not good enough to drink.
But as you can see I suffer from poor taste.
8-)
Fred1new
- 16 Nov 2012 21:58
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Ps.
I agree with your view on the false hype on BN, but also remember sitting in the sun and drinking cases of it around the BBQ during some barmy summers in the 70s and 80s.
(Even insured my liver!)