Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I don't think Lab can get elected next time, no matter who the leader is.

not one of the 4 putting up for the leadership is any good crap

bring back john smith dig him up

MrT - a fairly serious Q ...... what now for Farage and his dwindling bunch?

How damaged is eurozone and EU by Greek debacle?


Robert Peston
Economics editor



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33503330



Will the rise and rise of populist anti-EU parties all over Europe be staunched or encouraged by reports that an EU official described Mr Tsipras's treatment by other EU leaders as the equivalent of "waterboarding"?

Nigel will be shouting very loud to get us to vote out of the EU , i shall vote out .

The germans have done UKIP a very big favour.


Not to mention the other €uroseptic parties.

max - don't see it myself ..... for sure the germans have been portrayed in traditional blitzkrieg and gestapo mode, but that is for (german) public consumption as much as anything else

had IMF/ECB openly caved in - rather than manipulating everything behind the scenes - then several other borderline countries would have had a good argument for having swathes of their own debts "forgiven" ..... surely that would have been an even worse scenario

cynic . ukip will be a force next election rest assured on that I am now with my uncle and 4 brothers going to join the party and pay our membership .
our decision and freedom to do so

A good thing to come out of the Greek situation is a message that it is a waste of time electing a loony left anti austerity government. That should shut up Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland.

hay you are a bloody dimwit thick as shit shut up



cynic . eu leaders and family have made a fortune out of insider dealing
on the markets .
and the big winners financers made millions

portugal's present gov't is certainly far from "loony left", and i'm sure ireland's is too, and probably even those of spain and italy

Who was in charge when all the bills were run up?



clue: It wasn't Syriza

and perhaps an inspection of the bank accounts of the main parties would be revealing too

It is not the current parties that are in charge that is the oroblem in Spain etc. It is the growing left wing anti austerity parties that are pushung ahead. Success for Greece would have given Spain's left a boost before elections this autumn. I doubt the creditors have made much money. The money was lent at very low preferential EU rates and they are not going to get their money back for a very long time. The current Greek government really messed things up. Their games theory discussions made things worse. The game theory did not allow for pissing the creditors off in the process of talking. The government has had to renege on every policy that they promised in their election. Like all left wing governments, they are unrealistic about the economy. It is not possible to run a socialist economy in a capitalist world. Even Marx said the communism would not work unless the whole world was communist.

The Greek gov/people are the only section of europe to really stand up to the unelected prats intent on steamrolling a (dis)united states of europe on the people of Europe.
2517

Unfortunately France, Germany and a couple of other countries are bent on federation. The Euro is still a project in development. They know that for monetary union, there must be fiscal union. The trend is that all budgets will be set centrally and all taxation rates the same. The aim is that individual governments will have no taxation powers and very little spending powers. It is the only way to stop another Greece happening. What they are insisting on for Greece is a taste of what is coming for the rest of the Eurozone.

GERMANYS plan to rule the EU is on track now they will try and destroy the UK
Cameron is weak and they know .
thank god we have BRAVE AND HONEST PEOPLE LIKE FARAGE .
GET US OUT OF THE STINKING ROTTEN CORRUPT EU
GIVE US THE VOTE NOW

THE NAZIS ARE BACK IN POWER AND STILL WANT TO RULE EUROPE

Well worth a read imo.


Yanis Varoufakis full transcript: our battle to save Greece


The full transcript of the former Greek Finance Minister's first interview since resigning.


by Harry Lambert Published 13 July, 2015 - 09:54



http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece

How is the ordinary man in the street supposed to decide what's right/wrong about all this . Personally I want out of the EU and any other sane person should too . It's looking very scary .