Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Item 2 c, what exactly will change?

Item 3.

Does (for example) America allow free movement? And if not, why not??

Manuel.

You are into canoes.

How much of the UK trade goes through the tunnel and across Europe to various destinies in Europe and other areas, in comparison to "sea" and "plane"?

Borders are always porous.

Will all "visitors" to the "UK" need visas and close scrutiny or inspection at "borders" and what will be the cost to tourism and Universities?

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One of the advantages of travelling around EU was not having to arrange "visas" and their cost and being held up at borders.

Also, I would not like to return to having when in another EU country having to turn up at various "police" stations to show "status" and passports every move.

(Sometimes, checks could be done at hotels.)

I can remember crossing borders and seeing the various police and security forces walking down train platforms with their weapons cocked.

(That was going into and out of countries. To have safe borders are we going to have the same type of security. I hope not.)

The results may be the introduction of tariffs.

Who are going to pay those tariffs?

The only thing I know about America is that they spend a lot of money trying to stop Mexicans crossing the border . whether that's free movement I don't know .

620 - i would guess that eu will immediately impose all sorts of tariffs and restrictions on uk produce
there may also be a considerable impact on uk banking and financial services which produce much of uk's gdp

621 - you can't compare uk's relatively tiny economy with that of usa
usa and its economy carry sufficient clout to allow it to get away with restrictive practices

622 - i would doubt very much if uk citizens will require visas to travel in eu, any more than they already do to places like dubai and many other countries

Hey Freda why worry about a few hundred people murdered every now and again , just so you can saunter around Europe .All your references go back many decades don't they , shows you live in the past WAKE UP .

My sauntering days are over.

The references are still in action in many states other than EU.

Those living in the EU and EU nationals don't have the problem within the EU.

I would stop any intending murderer moving from any village to another in the UK.

Put a border up immediately.

620 They sell more to us...shooting themselves in the pocket

The EU is unlikely to impose tariffs on UK as we would do the same. The balance of trade is heavier in goods coming from the EU to here. BMW, VW, AUDI, MERC, BOSCH and many German companies would scream and shout if tariffs were introduced apart from companies in France (Citroen, Peugot, Renault) and Italy (Zanussi, Fiat, Landis, Alfa, Ferrari).

i gave my opinion ...... you are not obliged to agree

Is this a repeat of the so called Millenium Bug where the fear of that 00 would be the end of well everything , and on it's arrival well nothing .

cynic Thats not true..From Iceland all the way down to eastern Turkey the EU DOES NOT impose tariffs...What you are saying is that the EU will be so p***ed off with the UK it'l be the only country that gets hit with tariffs....

What about ALL the trade the EU does with the UK, would we in response to their unfair treatment do the same????....HIGHLY UNLIKELY!

At first if there is a LEAVE vote, then yes there will at first be a reaction, but in my opinion it will settle down after a couple of weeks...But don't forget, when there was talk of the UK joining the euro zone and what these Europhiles said at that time....The financial markets would collapse, no one would trade with us......

IT WAS ALL LIES AND SCAREMONGERING....AS IT IS NOW FROM THE EUROPHILES...

The EU is for the big multi nationals and those on the gravytrain not for the ordinary
man in the street ..

in this instance, you may wish "nothing" but assuredly that will not be the case if "out" carries the day

somewhat to my surprise, Beloved is adamant that she will vote "out" and it is a racing certainty that i shall too

however, "in" remains strong favourite to carry the day

At PMQs a few moments ago, Cameron said that he will remain as PM if the referendum vote is out.

the option may not be in his hands

Cameron WILL be gone if the vote is to LEAVE..

We don't need a snake oil salesman running the country, we need someone who believes in the country..

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On PMQT dougla carsdale specifically asked the PM, that should the Referendum vote go against him and we vote to Leave, would he still stay on and implement the necessary changes.

"Yes," was the PM's one word reply.

So there you have it. He does obviously believe in the country. But as to whether his negotiative skills are up to the job.... Hmmm?

Exec,

A large amount of the Con party is in revolt at the moment.

Do you think the revolting group of "exiters" would allow Dodgy Dave to negotiate with the EU if the referendum vote is to exit?

There would probably be a challenge to his position as leader of the party and PM and probably he would lose his position.

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It would be chaos.

Which group will get official backing? Will it be Leave or Out.

I think that the electoral commission has to designate one group as official tomorrow. They get £600,000 of public money, use to public meeting rooms and access to the electoral roll.

It will either be Farage's group or Boris's.