goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
Sequestor
- 19 Aug 2015 12:01
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Don`t give me ideas.
jimmy b
- 19 Aug 2015 12:05
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:))
Haystack
- 19 Aug 2015 23:52
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He is beginning to believe his own propaganda. A megalomaniac in the making.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-tells-labour-mps-if-you-dont-back-me-the-grassroots-will-rise-up-10462770.html
Jeremy Corbyn tells Labour MPs: if you don't back me, the grassroots will rise up
Jeremy Corbyn issues a stark warning today to Labour MPs that he expects them to back his radical agenda to reshape the party or face organised revolts by his army of grass-roots supporters.
“I will absolutely use our supporters to push our agenda up to the parliamentary party and get them to follow that,” he said. “We have to encourage the Parliamentary Labour Party to be part of that process and not to stand in the way of democratising the party and empowering the party members. It is going to be an interesting discussion.”
Mr Corbyn’s comments will fuel fears on the right of the party that his election will precipitate a return of the “trigger ballot” fights of the 1980s where those on the left of the party attempted to deselect MPs who disagreed with the party’s left-wing platform.
Privately, some Labour MPs have told The Independent that they fear they will be “purged” under the cover of boundary changes that are likely to mean large numbers of MPs have to seek early reselection ahead of the next election.
In his comments, Mr Corbyn did little to dismiss these fears, warning that he expected his parliamentary colleagues to back his plan for policy-making to be devolved to his new army of supporters who have propelled him to be the favourite in next month’s contest.
“I just want to remind my dear friends in the Parliamentary Labour Party that we are honoured to be members of Parliament,” he said. “We have been supported by the Labour Party to become Labour members of Parliament.
“But we are not the entirety of the Labour Party – we are part of the Labour Party. And I want to see real democracy so this election gives a very strong mandate for change within our society.”
MaxK
- 20 Aug 2015 00:05
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To change that a little''''
“I just want to remind my dear friends in the Parliamentary Tory Party that we are honoured to be members of Parliament,” he said. “We have been supported by the Tory Party to become Tory members of Parliament.
Perhaps it's time for the tory party to remember who elected them, and why.
hilary
- 20 Aug 2015 08:01
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The Tories are doing a fantastic job now they're free of the Lib Dem shackles, and Labour are about to commit political suicide .
MaxK
- 20 Aug 2015 08:57
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Haystack
- 20 Aug 2015 10:20
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Jeremy Corbyn could face Labour MPs' coup 'within days of being elected leader'
The MPs are understood to have held informal talks about challenging Mr Corbyn when Parliament returns to work next month
Moderate Labour MPs have been in discussions how to overthrow hard Left Jeremy Corbyn if he is crowned Labour leader next month, The Telegraph can disclose.
The MPs are understood to have held informal talks about challenging Mr Corbyn when Parliament returns to work next month.
This could see Mr Corbyn fighting for his political life at the party’s annual conference, just days after he has been elected leader.
Mr Corbyn is currently on course to be unveiled as the Labour party’s leader when the result is announced at a special conference at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Centre in Westminster central London on September 12.
Yvette Cooper is locked in a bitter battle with Andy Burnham to be Mr Corbyn's main challenger, while the other contender Liz Kendall, who has been backed by Labour’s Blairite wing, lags behind in a distant fourth place
Parliament returns on September 7 and sits until September 17, when Labour MPs decamp to Brighton for the party’s annual Autumn conference.
To trigger a new leadership campaign, 20 per cent of the Parliamentary Labour party (PLP) – 46 MPs – would have to tell the party's National Executive Committee that they support a rival candidate.
The party’s rules state: “Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference.
“In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP. Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void.”
Any attempt to unseat Mr Corbyn would be more likely if the hard Left MP only narrowly wins the election.
One source: “There is talk among MPs who are alarmed about what will happen. That is certainly the case. I don’t think there will be a problem getting the numbers.”
Harriet Harman, the acting leader, last week expressed concern that as many as a fifth of the 120,000 party supporters who paid £3 to join the party could be alleged “infiltrators".
Labour MPs are worried that the Parliamentary party would look out of touch if they decided to reject a leader such as Mr Corbyn who had won the contest overwhelmingly.
But one shadow Cabinet minister laid bare the panic in the mainstream party, telling this week’s New Statesman magazine: “It is like a bad dream.”
David Blunkett, who was Home secretary under Tony Blair’s leadership, said that Mr Corbyn was only worth voting for if Labour wanted to stay in Opposition.
He said: “If you want a really good, vigorous outriding opposition and you want to continue being in opposition, vote for somebody who is good at opposition.”
Haystack
- 20 Aug 2015 10:51
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David Milliband has come out against Corbyn and in favour of Cooper.
hilary
- 20 Aug 2015 11:10
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Doc,
What about anyone who joins the Labour party using
more than one of these £3 membership facilities?
Haystack
- 20 Aug 2015 11:22
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All this is down to Ed Miliband changing the leadership election rules. At least the Conservatives only put the shortlisted candidates to the party faithful after the MPs choose people who they would accept as leader. Corbyn cannot survive without the support of his MPs.
It is win win for the Conservatives. If there is a coup then Labour will tear themselves apart. If Corbyn stays leader then there will be a lunatic in charge of the opposition with the MPs defying the whip and unelectable policies.
cynic
- 20 Aug 2015 11:38
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never ever gloat as the theory and the actuality as in many areas of life never quite pans out as expected
Haystack
- 20 Aug 2015 11:39
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Corbyn doesn't seem to be helping Labour
Latest Comres poll
CON 40%, LAB 29%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 4%,
Haystack
- 20 Aug 2015 11:51
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The upcoming battle between the left and right of Labour is another episode of their internal struggle. Kinnock tried to kill off the Militant Tendency and Blair scrapped Clause IV. The final battle has yet to come. It won't even be resolved this time. It will take another generation before Labour decides if it continues to live in the past or move on to be a modern party.
Parties do change their nature over time. It is difficult to imagine that Lincoln was leader of the Republican party. The Democrats and Republicans held more or less opposite views to their current ones.
Haystack
- 20 Aug 2015 14:43
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Russell Brand has endorsed Corbyn. That is the kiss of death.
hilary
- 20 Aug 2015 15:06
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Jezzaggedon is a coming together of The Great Unwashed.
Fred1new
- 21 Aug 2015 08:11
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cynic
- 21 Aug 2015 08:14
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i fail to understand why these migrants are not sent back to their point of entry, even if not whence they came