Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

If there is a need for a vote then the MP's will vote to trigger article50,
they will pass it to try and save their sorry little arses.

Supreme court to report their decision next Tuesday..


And as to that incorrect statement from fred...(Mind I suppose he did for a
few weeks).

Cameron resigned on the 24th June!!!

I very much doubt that even that lot, the Scots and Dim Tim apart, will vote against article 50 being triggered. She has to wait on the court decision before deciding on whether a bill is in fact required and the wording of the bill. If required, the current expectation is that it will be tabled in mid February.

Freda (Baldrick LOL! love it mentor) will never let facts interfere in his fantasy gin soaked bed pan world. How much are you paying your private nurses? nowhere near enough would be my bet. :0)

Liam Fox launches Brexit trade crusade confirming informal talks already under way with 12 countries across the world



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/18/liam-fox-launches-brexit-trade-crusade-confirming-informal-talks/

Go back to sleep Fred .

Watch out there is a Dumbo about!

Hope you like this. It's a nice friendly video to show you how it's possible to get along when you aren't the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnVuqfXohxc

The EU governments are going at lengths to try to prove to everybody how much better it is to be in rather than out, .....they must be worried that they are not going to be able to achieve this, which could jeopardize supposedly the single market.....in fact they need Britain more than we need them.....they will be thinking : how can we avoid the situation where in a few months/years time some countries across the water will be looking at each other thinking about their own euro--exit....

I think it is more likely that Europe feels sorry for a recalcitrant child who has lost its way.

Half the child wanting to leave home and the other half confused by its own stupidity.

65 million facing up to 450 million.

I wonder what the odds are.

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Jeremy Corbyn says he will order Labour MPs to vote in favour of triggering article 50 - Politics live



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jan/19/breixt-talks-wil-get-very-nasty-says-former-british-ambassador-to-eu-politics-live

Perhaps, he is trying to help Maybe drown herself.

Pathetic as ever .

Go back to sleep Fred .

Stop encouraging him you 2.
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Do you mean Dumbo and the zoo keeper?

As stated on QT last night the EU single market is only a free trade market for those in it and a protectionism Union for those outside.

I'd rather be out and trading freely with the rest of the world as would Mrs May and that's what the EU is worried about.

The EU is nearly finished anyway , if Geert Wilders and Marine La Pen win Holland and France (which they have a great chance) it's all over ,just a matter of time.
That would be quite spiffing.

I'm looking forward to Gert Wilders getting majority in Dutch elections which
will indicate the sensible people have voted for common sense policies and a
return to patriotism and national pride, unlike the liberal bleeding heart socialist
lefties that have ruled the west to its detriment and destruction over the last 25+
years.

I would like the same to sweep France with the election of Marine Le'Penn and
the F.N, but that will be more tricky because the establishment usually construct
an agreement between the FAR left and center right, but with the center right
candidate having draconian anti-socialist policies that could mean the F.N
picking up votes from the left..

Agreed grannyboy...
Euroland was already doomed IMHO, "long-term" - because of not so recent "Expansion" whereby EU admitted countries that are not "matched" ( economically, let alone Culturally).
The effect of this, with Greece, Italy, Portugal, etc. hoping their Bowls will be filled.... is that there are too few net-providers. Any one of them "Could" leave - so, why don't the likes of ( Say) Germany, France do just that? -and- EU will be so poor the Burghers of Brusselles will have to eat burgers.
That UK has left this disaster ( Brexit intention, so far!),----other Countries may wonder if they'll have to increase their share . . . ?

The only solution is to Tax UK goods going into EU, to make up the shortfall . . . this may damage our EU-Exports, but it will be EU citizens that will be paying these Taxes.... in effect the "Better-off" will be subsidising the poor-countries that EU should have ditched (Economically). Although I understood the reason for expansion was to strengthen the European Political boundaries.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that US-welcome for a quickie Trade-Deal will be in our interests - perhaps our Negotiators should gain some experience dealing with a half-dozen small countries, where our £ Export-values are modest. Only then, dare attempt President Trump.
The attraction ( for a quick-deal), is that Trump can stick it to EU, but in doing-so we could lose out . . . . look at (DYOR) BAE having to reduce costs on an existing military Contract... America already doesn't pay all its dues ( Amazon, Facebook, I hear ); so why wouldn't we expect any quickie Trade Deal to be particularly attractive to UK...?
Just as America needs to return Mfr to US soil, so does it need to sort-out Taxing Big Corporations, so they pay-tax for the earnings in any country they operate. This may mean any UK-US trade-deal will be drawn out . . . and UK has only one opportunity to achieve this, is my belief.
As a QPP - we'd have to eliminate the British "Offshore" tax-dodging arrangement enjoyed by the few. Ultimately this might reach Zurich.... Oh dear!


QPP Quid per Pro