Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

btw, as "container housing" would be classified as "temporary structure" surely a lot less time-consuming and costly planning procedure to go through - eg could surely go on fallow farmland or brownfield sites

Manuel.

If you are so sure.

Buy a few containers and put them at the bottom of your garden and rent them out to some Polish immigrants.

You should make a bob or two.

Manuel.

If you are so sure.

Buy a few containers and put them at the bottom of your garden and rent them out to some Polish immigrants.

You should make a bob or two.

the concept of container homes has interested me for a long time
though i appreciate there must be some downsides, i would have thought that speed (and economy!) of construction might well outweigh ....... pre-fabs worked well, and i think their life-expectancy was <15 years, but in practice, many lasted 50+

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wikipedia article "prefabricated building" makes interesting reading

2 weeks ago I visited a small "village" built I think in late 60s.

It was known as "Tin Town" and had steel constructed walls etc..

They were supposed to be warm.

About 2 years later the occupants were complaining of dampness and rust etc.

In the village, all those houses had been replaced by bricks and mortar dwellings.

Surprised me.

But simpler solutions often have their flaws.

Cynic. Hear what you say, would be good if it could be made to work. 10years is too short to secure adequate income to cover costs. If you want cheaper short term housing I worked in the design team years ago on a project in London. Take one vacant industrial steel portal frame warehouse. Remove wall cladding fit Kingspan sipp panels( inner and outer steel liner sheets with150mm bonded insulation ) with fitted windows. Partition up space with sold wood laminated wall panels (small section timbers bonded into 4mx2.5m panels). Three storey structure 25 individual three bed units. Cheap as chips. Do not poo po straw bale houses. Local eco friendly neighbour is building one. First attempt tried it without a timber frame, bales fell apart as roof went on'. Last year suggested he buy a cheap steel frame eBay shed 40mx20m . Lent him a JCB to assemble it. Now he is building new bale walls under the steel roof. Bales braced back to steel frame. Works nice but planners want timber cladding so has to assemble timber frame for cladding support. He calls it a straw bale house. But it's really a timer frame with straw bales and steel frame supported roof. Looks good though.

thanks will, but with regard to straw bale houses, def worth looking at the site near bristol
i gather these houses have been approved for help-to-buy scheme and also for mortgages ....... clearly they have resolved whatever the early problems were

Morning. Off to the Midlands today so I'll get the first blow in early. In the interest of migrant balance here's a true story.

3 or 4 years ago Mary Portas funded a high street improvement scheme in a run down area of a nearby City. House building was dead, banks were not lending and we needed work. Teamed up with small investors who provided the cash whilst we did the work. We bought a sad looking period building, empty Cut Price Booze shop, two floors empty residential above. Needles everywhere, broken windows and bird shit all over top floor. Nine months later 9 new bathrooms, kitchens and a dozen bedrooms. Fitted Ikea all over. Long term let now to an English Language School as overseas student accommodation. All Good, everyone happy. Cash coming in to the uk, taxes collected and local jobs.
4 months later, having a drink with a groundworks crew from another job, in the local Wetherspooons pub. At a table in the centre were some overseas students from the school, 3 Italians, 2 Chinese 1 from Egypt and a school tutor all out to learn English. Four local young women in full war paint, piled up hair and knock out glamour were happily flirting with them. In walks the local jack the lad and his two mates I'll call him Nigel. He's about 27 and has done about 5 honest days work in his life, full English Defence League uniform. He took against one of the girls talking to immigrants, and loudly made his concerns known to the pub. He had time to land a piss poor soft blow to one of the Italians before he was hurled 20ft through the air by a mild mannered Chinese lad. As his two mates made to move forward two of the groundworkers (English) were on their feet and blocking their daylight. All three quickly withdrew to roaring applause from the drinkers
I happened to see Nigel and the Chinese lad walking down the street several weeks later. The story is now they both go to the same gym and are best buddies.
What lessons can be learned.
From the girls point of view. We love the Italians send more.
From Nigels point of view. Bloody eu migrants come here take our jobs and now our girls. Now the Chinese are here and they bloody hurt. If I'm to survive I need to work with them.
From an Anglo/Canadian point of view.

Well, Hilary you are welcome to your expensive French wine in your ice lodge. The bitter after taste will match your "as long as I'm ok every one else can fuck off back to Africa in leaky boats" view point
Tanker, you stick with your mates down the conservative club and cry about the loss of some "white uk safe haven" Wake up man the world is turning coffee coloured and you're locked into a bitter hope for something that never existed.
Me? I'm happy down my local inner city Wetherspoons full of real English people safely wrapped round a table of migrants. What's not to like? You just got to love the English.

cynic morning. Yes been to see the straw bale houses in Shirehampton . Actually built as a timber structural frame with straw bale infill. Mortgage available because surveyor confirmed building is structurally sound and bales can be replaced without propping roof and second floor. But they do not look like straw bale houses. Why bother?

will10

What house building stocks would you recommend to buy ?

What you don't understand Wil10 is this is just the start this will go on for years , the answer is now to just run to the EU . Your utopian view is reminiscent of Flower Power in the sixties , total pipe dream . This could be the start of more troubles and hatred on a bigger scale than we have ever seen . It does seem strange you deal in housing and you want to fill this country up with more and more people . Very strange .

I like the way that anyone who does not want to be flooded with immigrants is called an EDF or BNP supporter ,always a racist .

VICTIM i think will10 is just here to wind people up he has posted on no other threads ,now he's here with a "let me tell you a true story" bollocks .

I am thinking putting a notice on a property I part own of "No Irish", "Blacks" or "English".


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Ald. All house builders have had very good run, I hold a few for very long term. Look at Kingspan kgp this is very forward looking company. Irish co, but English research office. Plants all over the world, top co. Also unite student accom.

Victim you're missing point. There is already 600k migrants coming in 300k leaving. This works all be it with usual complaints. There does need to be a restriction on those coming without work. However I say the refugee criss is a generational crisis due to wars. Separate refugees from migrants. UK needs to take it's share of the refugees. Restrict economic migrants. The two are seperate.

Hungary Boosts Penalty for Illegal Border Crossings

Date : 10/09/2015 @ 07:30
Source : Dow Jones News


Hungary Boosts Penalty for Illegal Border Crossings



BUDAPEST—Hungary is counting on a newly passed law criminalizing illegal border crossings, along with a loophole in existing European Union travel regulations, to help it throttle the flow of migrants on its southern border, the country's justice minister said Wednesday.

From Sept. 15, migrants who cross Hungary's border with Serbia, also the EU's external border, will risk several years in a Hungarian prison as well as expulsion from Hungary, the country's Laszlo Trocsanyi said.

"Anyone crossing the border illegally only has the right to do so if their life was in danger," Mr. Trocsanyi said at a news briefing, adding the right is only in case lives are at risk in the country they're fleeing from. "We assume everyone is safe in Serbia."

By enacting harsher measures, Hungary's government hopes to put an end to tumultuous scenes from last week when migrants, mostly from the Middle East and Afghanistan, who had crossed the Hungarian-Serbian border without valid documents, demanded to travel to western Europe.

Most of the 172,821 people Hungary's police have detained so far this year for crossing the border illegally entered Hungary through its border with Serbia. That number is up sharply from some 42,000 in the whole of last year.

Hungary plans to send back all migrants who aren't able to prove that their lives were in danger in Serbia even if they file for asylum. Hungary is the first country of the Schengen, or European passport-free, area the migrants are entering in the hope of traveling further to Germany or elsewhere in the richer parts of the bloc.

Hungary will judge the asylum seekers' plea under an accelerated procedure of a few days versus the current process, which could take several months or even a year.

Migrants denied asylum will have a right of appeal before a court and that process will also be expedited, under the new Hungarian rules from Sept. 15.

Hungary could see some 42,000 new migrants in the next 10 days, the United Nations refugee agency said on Tuesday, as people currently in Greece, Macedonia and Serbia continue to pour over the border from Serbia.

Most of the new arrivals won't be legally allowed to enter Hungary unless they receive asylum, even as they will be housed in the territory of Hungary.

Under the EU's border regulations "there's a possibility to establish a transit zone [at the border] like those at an airport," Mr. Trocsanyi said. "From Sept. 15, they won't enter the EU even as they will be in Hungary geographically."

The transit zones will be open only toward Serbia, meaning the migrants could return there.

These latest measures are in line with international conventions as regards to asylum seekers' rights, which Hungary will continue to observe, Mr. Trocsanyi said.

These steps and Hungary's border fence should divert the flood of migrants to elsewhere, the minister said.

"We have to defend the Schengen system, we must comply with those rules," he said.


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How much will it cost to keep them in prison ? We know the cost is very high here and the legal aid bill for their human rights appeal

The Serbs are correct tho, why are so called refugees allowed to pick and mix where they want to go. They are supposed to seek sanctuary in the first available safe country.

I'm just wondering aldwick when the EU are going to ask us for another massive payment towards whatever . I

Refugee crisis: Danish police close road and rail links with Germany


Motorway shut as hundreds of refugees try to get to Sweden on foot, while border train ferry services also terminated



Reuters in Copenhagen

Wednesday 9 September 2015 20.50 BST




"Many refugees are reluctant to register in Denmark, where a centre-right government has cut benefits."



More: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/09/refugee-crisis-denmark-police-close-road-germany

So the open Borders policy is starting to look like pie in the sky .