Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I am thinking putting a notice on a property I part own of "No Irish", "Blacks" or "English".


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Ald. All house builders have had very good run, I hold a few for very long term. Look at Kingspan kgp this is very forward looking company. Irish co, but English research office. Plants all over the world, top co. Also unite student accom.

Victim you're missing point. There is already 600k migrants coming in 300k leaving. This works all be it with usual complaints. There does need to be a restriction on those coming without work. However I say the refugee criss is a generational crisis due to wars. Separate refugees from migrants. UK needs to take it's share of the refugees. Restrict economic migrants. The two are seperate.

Hungary Boosts Penalty for Illegal Border Crossings

Date : 10/09/2015 @ 07:30
Source : Dow Jones News


Hungary Boosts Penalty for Illegal Border Crossings



BUDAPEST—Hungary is counting on a newly passed law criminalizing illegal border crossings, along with a loophole in existing European Union travel regulations, to help it throttle the flow of migrants on its southern border, the country's justice minister said Wednesday.

From Sept. 15, migrants who cross Hungary's border with Serbia, also the EU's external border, will risk several years in a Hungarian prison as well as expulsion from Hungary, the country's Laszlo Trocsanyi said.

"Anyone crossing the border illegally only has the right to do so if their life was in danger," Mr. Trocsanyi said at a news briefing, adding the right is only in case lives are at risk in the country they're fleeing from. "We assume everyone is safe in Serbia."

By enacting harsher measures, Hungary's government hopes to put an end to tumultuous scenes from last week when migrants, mostly from the Middle East and Afghanistan, who had crossed the Hungarian-Serbian border without valid documents, demanded to travel to western Europe.

Most of the 172,821 people Hungary's police have detained so far this year for crossing the border illegally entered Hungary through its border with Serbia. That number is up sharply from some 42,000 in the whole of last year.

Hungary plans to send back all migrants who aren't able to prove that their lives were in danger in Serbia even if they file for asylum. Hungary is the first country of the Schengen, or European passport-free, area the migrants are entering in the hope of traveling further to Germany or elsewhere in the richer parts of the bloc.

Hungary will judge the asylum seekers' plea under an accelerated procedure of a few days versus the current process, which could take several months or even a year.

Migrants denied asylum will have a right of appeal before a court and that process will also be expedited, under the new Hungarian rules from Sept. 15.

Hungary could see some 42,000 new migrants in the next 10 days, the United Nations refugee agency said on Tuesday, as people currently in Greece, Macedonia and Serbia continue to pour over the border from Serbia.

Most of the new arrivals won't be legally allowed to enter Hungary unless they receive asylum, even as they will be housed in the territory of Hungary.

Under the EU's border regulations "there's a possibility to establish a transit zone [at the border] like those at an airport," Mr. Trocsanyi said. "From Sept. 15, they won't enter the EU even as they will be in Hungary geographically."

The transit zones will be open only toward Serbia, meaning the migrants could return there.

These latest measures are in line with international conventions as regards to asylum seekers' rights, which Hungary will continue to observe, Mr. Trocsanyi said.

These steps and Hungary's border fence should divert the flood of migrants to elsewhere, the minister said.

"We have to defend the Schengen system, we must comply with those rules," he said.


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How much will it cost to keep them in prison ? We know the cost is very high here and the legal aid bill for their human rights appeal

The Serbs are correct tho, why are so called refugees allowed to pick and mix where they want to go. They are supposed to seek sanctuary in the first available safe country.

I'm just wondering aldwick when the EU are going to ask us for another massive payment towards whatever . I

Refugee crisis: Danish police close road and rail links with Germany


Motorway shut as hundreds of refugees try to get to Sweden on foot, while border train ferry services also terminated



Reuters in Copenhagen

Wednesday 9 September 2015 20.50 BST




"Many refugees are reluctant to register in Denmark, where a centre-right government has cut benefits."



More: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/09/refugee-crisis-denmark-police-close-road-germany

So the open Borders policy is starting to look like pie in the sky .

At the heart of it all is the free money benefits system, it's simply too tempting.

There is much talk about the economic benefits of immigration. That may be so, although I think the figures are very selective. That discussion leaves out the problems it causes. Our schools are overcrowded with not enough places for new pupils. Our doctors surgeries are bursting at the seams with long waiting lists and the same is true of our hospitals. Our infrastructure is overloaded in every direction. Sufficient housing has become a problem.

If we have 60m plus people and not enough housing then one cause is just too many people. Housing was far less of a problem when we has around 50m people. I have had cause to visit the Royal Free hospital in Hampstead on a regular basis over the last two years. I pass through reception then up through a couple of floors then down corridors through various departments. The situation is the same. The hospital population is dominated by immigrants. You hardly hear English spoken anywhere. The department that I visit is Opthalmology and I have counted the immigrants several times while there. The proportion is around 80%. The same is true of the Whittington in Highgate. I have had conversations with my GP about this. His experience is similar. The quality of health of the immigrants is much lower than our general population and they have recourse to the NHS to a disproportionate extent.

Some years ago I knew a teacher in North London who taught at a primary school. She was paid extra because she was teaching special needs children with some having language skill trouble due to family ethnicity. She was the only teacher in the school getting that extra pay. Getting paid that extra premium is now the norm for the majority of inner city schools.

how can these scum called immigrants be allowed to walk any where in the eu yet we brits need a passport its time start sending the scum back

Well Hays I watched about 2yrs ago on TV a piece about situation in Peterborough , you know schools and such , and one fact was that there were more than 80 different languages spoken in that area , what chance do teachers have . I couldn't believe what I HEARD .

We only need a passport because the UK insists on it and we are not signatories to the Schengen Agreement. Once we are across the Channel we can also go anywhere in the EU without a passport.

so any terrorist can get on any eu bound plane or transport with out any checks
so how long will it be before the bombings start . because rest assured it will

Coffee break so back at you. In Manchester today, first time in a few years. Looking good all action. Anyone from Salford.??
Tanker see you're your cheerfully self. Sounds like you're just waiting to say you told us so. Shame on you , go see about that attitude.
Hays next time you're in the hospital check out how many doctors, nurses, cleaners are from overseas. NHS looking for5000 GPS. UK medical students don't want to be GPS. Where do we get them. New schools reqd who is going to build them.
If UK has 65million plus need to be building 300k +a year. Built less than140k last year. Short 500k houses who is going to build them. Construction employers need200k plus workers from labourers to designers UK kids can't get off their arses.
Wish I could help but only pick up the crumbs from the big boys.
Come on stop the bitching start lifting your share.

will10,

You're totally missing the point here.

Sure, from a personal viewpoint, I don't see why the UK and the EU should give two hoots about the migrants. And, as I said yesterday, I would tow them back to sea and leave them off the coast of North Africa. That would certainly act as a deterrent.

But the point you are missing is that these are not just my views, and the vast majority of the great British public feel exactly the same way as I do. You've only got to look at the posts on this thread, and the low esteem (bordering upon contempt) in which you are held based solely upon your immigration views, to see that. And ditto, the YouGov poll that Haystack posted a few days ago supports all that. A couple of days ago there was another report saying that racial hate crimes in the UK had spiked, mainly directed against muslims. I'm certainly not condoning that, but it's not rocket science to see why it's happening - the indigenous Brits have, plainly and simply, had enough.

So, you are clearly in the minority with your views. The British public voted for a government which would be firm on immigration, so they really don't give Jack Shit for the views of the minority, and they won't do at least until 2020 (and probably longer if Corbyn wins control of the Labour party).

Are you sure you're not Fishfinger in disguise, will10?

Yes as I SAID before you build houses you want to make a fortune don't you . Probably the lowest form seen on here actually . Your out for yourself Buddy .

As I said your're a Housebuilder you want to make a fortune don't you , you could be the lowest form we've had here trying to take advantage eh . Wow I just can't wait for your next enlightenment . The Mother Teressa of Builders .

Hilary no
Victim. Yes I am a house builder but small scale only built 10 _12 a year. Had bad years and good. Doubt I'll make a fortune. If you got off your lardy arse you would get reward for your input in whatever venture you undertook. Get a grip man how could someone putting a more balanced view on helping refugees make money. Most inner city conversions I do get bought up by trendy hipsters.