Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Yes, I would leave it to the "do gooders" on this thread!

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"This week, Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, asked David Cameron a somewhat troubling question in light of the refugee crisis.

At prime minister's questions, she asked:

The ongoing harrowing refugee crisis is fuelled by conflict, which in turn is powered in part by the global arms trade.

The UK has supplied the weapons being used in many areas from which people are now fleeing, including Yemen and Libya.

In the week that London will once again host the largest arms fair in the world, is it not time for the Government to recognise the link between arms sales and the terrible tragedy that we see unfolding around us?


Cameron’s response was as follows:

First, we have some of the strictest rules anywhere in the world for selling arms to other countries. If the hon. Lady thinks that the reason why so many people are fleeing Syria is something to do with the arms trade, the fact is that it is because Assad is butchering his own people and because we have an Islamist extremist, terrorist organisation running a large part of two countries—Iraq and Syria.

Those are the problems that we have to confront, rather than pretending it is about something else.
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So who is right?

In March of this year, the UK government was found in a report by the Parliamentary Committee on Arms Export Controls to have supplied £5.2bn worth of arms export licenses to countries listed as being of “human rights concern” by the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, including Saudi Arabia, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Russia.

The committee urged the government to be "significantly more cautious" in the handing out of export licenses and said:"


So that is done and we have clean hands.

Victim.

jimmy b you are not a racist you are someone that gives a dam about this Nation and it's people and the people who fought and died to keep it free . But unfortunatley due to now outdated laws of all sorts that don't fit in with the modern world ie mass movement con artist's freeloaders people traffickers low lifes ETC .

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I suggest you look at the constituents of the Allied Forces in WW2 and subsequent0 "wars", who "fought" for Britain and the way their various countries and see how they were treated subsequently.

fred - i don't exactly concur that history is bunkum, but though what you allude to above is absolutely correct, it was 70 years ago and times, mores and circumstances have changed

we now live a very different world, and it is that with which we have to deal
in a similar vein, i think it total crap that britain is expected to apologise today for the existence of slavery - albeit that that whole argument is based on a fallacy anyway

Fred where did you get that laptop ?

Just sometimes Fred people just want to express an opinion you know , right , they just want to say something off the cuff see . You want people to consult the Encyclopedia Brittanica before they post for god's sake ,

No, but I would prefer them to think before giving knee jerk comments.

No problem with disagreements of opinion.

But I was taught as a little boy to differentiate between"need", "want" and "wish" and to consider consequences of "actions".

(Nothing wrong with "wishing" or "wanting".)

What a stupid post Fred (knee jerk comments) (No problem with disagreements of opinion)
You don't like anyone to disagree with you.
people have an opinion that they don't want hundreds of thousands more immigrants pouring in to Britain .
Your the minority on here.

Germany yesterday said that it has not set any upper limit on the number of immigrants. That is just creating a situation where there will a huge increase in the numbers.

I' ve said before what message does this send out to the rest of EU and indeed it's own people . I could understand a slow build up in their plans to get age down , but this is strange , have they been building houses slyly and planning this because how can you just take in these amounts . ( AT NO POINT IN THIS MESSAGE ARE THERE ANY ACTUAL REEL FACTS OR HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE IT'S JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY THICK HEAD ).

For REEL read REAL .

Germany is looking out for Germany...they'll cherry pick the best, and export the rest.

Those not selected, will be encouraged to seek fame and fortune (benefits) elsewhere.

Maxk I just thought the same myself .

Jb,

Minority, of "what"?

Neo-fascists, neo-cons., Tea-party, liberals?

Max.

Often wondered, why did you return from France?

Victim Those that fought and are still fighting to keep Britain free didn't do it in the sense you imply. Theirs was/is a stepping up when needed to do the right thing. By defending basic human freedoms they ensure Britain remains free. You disrespect them by implying they somehow had an isolationist view that Britain cared only for those on this island. Remember many others did some dying to keep Britain free too.

Germany has the same type of demographic time bomb as most countries. They have an ageing population with a lack of workers to pay for pensions. I watched CNN just now and a German economist who advises the government on policy. He suggested that these immigrants will go some way to solving their problems. Germany currently has a surplus of around 6bn Euros as a surplus from taxation. A large chunk of that money could be spent on the costs associated with taking the immigrants.

Compulsory euthanasia is the way to go. Especially if they started with the Canadians and the Welsh at 18.

Don't try and be smart Fred your in the minority of people who want to open the door to all and everyone who wants to enter the UK .
What about the Yemen they have real problems i feel sorry for them can they all come too?

Jimmyb At no point have I called for mass immigration. There is current nett migration into UK of 300k + many are students, many in jobs and a good few in the nhs. I was arguing for the uk to take a share of refugees, and stated that 100k a year would be no problem.
In to order to have a meaning full discussion when you say mass immigration put a number on it?

Guess which one is hiliary?