Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Zonist firms always seem to make it. It's part of the conspiracy, maestro.

You found a vroooom-baa for me yet?

Gausie, thanks;-)
can you find one with a rocket instead of a pen that i can ram up his arse;-)


Notice Fred still hasnt commented on that shocking hamas children video?
cant say im surprised really, its not the first time hes failed to answer on something that blatantly goes against the rose tinted glasses hes become accustomed to wearing.

Bury, head and sand springs to mind

Are Hamas mad? There is a fragile ceasefire in place and they go and blow up an Israeli armoured jeep killing one MCO.
Result-Israel hits back with the predicted results.
It beggars belief that Hamas has caused the Gazan population to be subjected to reprisals for 22 days for blasting over 8000 rockets in to Israel.Hamas has taken an almighty beating but simply cannot resist breaking the ceasefire.

The only conclusion I can draw is that they simply care not about the fate of the own people.Surely they are not that stupid to think Israel will not retaliate-or perhaps they are too clever and putting the propaganda war first.

Gausie, Your sense of humour does not amaze me. It is what I am coming to expect from you. Congratulations. I would think it will appeal to the one with the big heart and common sense.

I can see that not all the idiots are outside the Middle East. Perhaps you can offer your obvious talents as arbitrators in the conflict.

People with such wit as yours, will make the job much easier for G. Mitchell.

You parade the problems that the Palestinians are having in any negotiations with Israeli supporters.

I dont think Hamas have claimed responsibility for attack on the Israeli patrol.
It appears to be a breakaway group.
It was stupid, but the Israeli response is in my opinion also stupid as it is disproportionate and murder once again.
It is bullyboy tactics and thuggery once again.

Also it loses any sympathy that Israel had for its previous actions.

It I worth reading the following articles.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5212870.stm
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The Israeli army has been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an operation in northern Gaza.
According to the Israeli human rights group, B'tselem, six civilians including two minors were subjected to the illegal tactic during an incursion into the town of Beit Hanoun last week.


Meanwhile as there are still children dying in Gaza as a consequence of Israeli bombing and shelling. Those with big hearts and commonsense can of course donate.

The Gaza appeal is once again.


http://www.dec.org.uk/

FFS Fred, are you ever going to condemn any of hamas"s actions without trying to divert the blame back to israelis?

So now your judge and jury are you,"it appears to be a breakaway group"
SAYS WHO? YOU ?

The video i posted Fred, you know the one you wont comment on, that shows hamas brainwashing and training their children as young as 5 years old to hate and kill the Israelis, you must be so very proud of yourself Fred for defending the actions of these "terrorists"

As for donations,I can assure you Fred, i wont be dipping my hand in my purse,
from my own thoughts/conclusions, some of that money could end up in Hamas hands, and i personally cant accept that,
While i sympathise with the innocent civilians of Gaza, i couldnt bear the thought of thinking anything i donated might end up in the hands of a terrorist organisation.

There is no way I would give money to an organization that grooms young children to become killers. Religion with all it`s interpretations, is once again the root cause of any world conflicts you like to name.
Ban religions and people would soon learn to live and let live.

I should give up on this thread folks. Nothing is going to shift Fred from his fixed position as an apologist for Hamas.

The stuff in the Hamas Charter that he doesn't quite feel he can back in public (like the bit about killing all Jews) he dismisses as "rhetoric". Unfortunately for him, to Hamas it isn't rhetoric, it's their raison d'etre.

Fred is a lost cause.

MM, Stand back and at look at the news reels. Listen to the news from other areas of the world. Read what is being reported by the humanitarian organisations.

I have nothing to do with the production of this information, but for me and many others it is pretty damning. Of course it is also critical of what you seem to advocate.

More blood shed.

It will be interesting to read G. Mitchell reports. I think we are in for a more sensible time in the Middle East.

as i have been away in sunny aberdeen for a couple of days, can someone please give me a brief synopsis of what i have been missing.

do i take it that there is some newsreel or other reliable(?) reporting of israeli excesses or similar?

Still won't face up to it Fred, will you? Did you like the bit in the Hamas charter advocating more bloodshed -- in fact, advocating nothing but bloodshed and dismissing all attempts at negotiation?

Don't you dare accuse me of advocating bloodshed.

Fred, you have incredibly blinkered vision. Why can you only see things from the perspective that you want to see them from. Things are not that black and white and never will be.

You consider the latest Gaza issue to be a major catastrophe. Look at the news reports from Zimbabwe, now over 3000 dead from cholera. I have no doubt 100% of those could have been saved if it wasn't for Mugabe. Probably 3000 people who would have loved to see Zimbabwe as it once was and would have worked very hard to achieve it. Why can't we simply remove the problem - Mugabe? The palestinian people are a different issue, few of them want to create anything. They would rather wollow in self pity as the worlds oppressed. Can we remove their problem - Hamas? What good would it do?

You are dreaming if you think the middle east is about to become 'sensible'. It simply cannot happen while Hamas & Co preach hate. Even if this lot had no 'western' targets they would just go on killing each other. It is feudal.

I have been tempted to look in here again by a poster telling me about the sensible comments being posted.
I do not read Fred's posts any longer as they are too bigoted and so boringly repetitive and his condescending, superior and arrogant blinkered manner are not irritating, so much as rather sad; a waste of precious time even glancing at them.

I used to be a member of Amnesty International until I realised some years ago the sort of people who run it, their leanings and their politics.
We also used to have a neighbour who worked for Christian Aid and his attitude was the same. I remember on one occasion he was in our house and we were watching the news and Palestinian women in Gaza were celebrating in the streets at the murder of 3,000 people on 9/11. His comments were sympathetic to them.
He ceased to be welcome in our home.
These, of course, are merely anecdotal observations and carry no validity beyond personal experience.
Which brings me to a letter in The Times today from a professor at Swansea University which confirms that personal experience.

From The Times
January 28, 2009
Sir, Andrew Roberts is quite right. Oxfam and others are politically motivated and use natural humanitarian concern as a stick to beat Israel, profiting from their status as charities with their apparent neutrality. Oxfam, however, is not alone in this, and many charities, especially so-called green charities, are doing the same thing taking a political stance while pretending to be loftily detached from the business of politics. It is time that government considered anew the question of who gets charitable status.
Professor John France
Director, Callaghan Centre for Conflict Studies

I suggest you cast your minds back to the bigotry of the Northern Ireland problems.

The same sort of positioning and rants. Never be peace in Northern Ireland.

Look again.

Peace will come in spite of much of what is written above.

By the way:-

The Gaza appeal is once again.


http://www.dec.org.uk/

Fred, are u a sadist? do you get a kick out of annoying people?

I will strike a deal with you re the gaza appeal, if you can assure me that those terrorists that you prefer to call hamas wont get a penny of donated money and it will all go to innocent civilians etc ,i will happily donate,
But i want proof of how the money will be distributed by this appeal etc, now trot along Freddie boy , go and get some conclusive proof for me and i will oblige,cant say fairer than that,

i dont expect a reply, but stranger things have happened,

I doubt that peace will last in Ireland either. The current generation are too old to fight anymore. However, when the republicans realise that they have been conned and power sharing won't lead to a united Ireland then the trouble will start again.

I agree with that Haystack.

Ruth, is gazza still short of cash. I didn't know he had hamas contacts. Better be careful with what i say :)

Mr Charts, like you I believe all the big charities are more political than they make out.

Fred, please try to convince me why i should hand over my hard earned cash to help the palestinians when their ruling elite 'hamas' seems to have more than enough money to cloth, feed and house them.

Israel seems to have fallen for the same trick as they did with hezbollah. Hamas annoy Israel long enough so they retaliate and hamas can then buy peoples allegiances with all of this 'rebuilding' money they must have found down the back of the sofa.

rawdm999, its this bloody keyboard, it has a mind of its own;-)

And congratulations to the BBC and Sky for refusing the DEC appeal and resisting pressure. The BBC should get credit when it's due - and that's rare enough.
The billions that have been contributed by Saudi, the Gulf States, the EU, the UK, the US AND EVEN Israel have been wasted in the past. The majority has been spent on arms, rockets, salted away in Swiss bank accounts, mass corruption, 4x4s for Hamas and so on. A small minority has been spent on food, drugs etc. Virtually zero on infrastructure.
People's decent feelings of humanity are being manipulated and exploited by the scenes of damage and injury so that Hamas can continue accumulating funds with just a trickle getting through in actual relief. But never mind, what you will see on your TV screens will be that small amount getting through, whilst the rest is creamed off - just as always.

The sooner Hamas goes the better. Then there will be a chance for peace.
If they stay, all they have to do is renounce violence, stop the rockets and put that into effect and renounce their demands to kill all Jews and drive them out of Israel.
Then a peace settlement will gradually come, just as it did with Egypt and Jordan.
Otherwise bloodshed will continue.
Sad, but inevitable.