Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Neither can I, will10.

But hang on a minute..... Let's call the refugees 'immigrants' instead.

You can see what a rough time they have had, falling out of dinghies and the like. No doubt lots of them will have lost their passports, IDs or other paperwork.

Can you yet see where I am headed?

Just who exactly are they? What is their purpose and objective? Would it be perfectly safe to let them in?

Is there a better way to help them?

How about we send NATO into Syria to fight Assad and also ISIL?

Why don't we clear a space in Syria for them?



Image taken from: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-09/11/europe-syria-refugee-crisis-maps

This latter site also describes the journey of a Refugee.

The UK is already taking more than its fair share. 20,000 over 5 years, is 20,000 too many.

63092 - that was not quite what you wrote or implied!

If we say to them, that "You can't come in!", then this might save hundreds of lives as they stop dying in trying to do exactly that.

They decide it's hopeless to try to do so and they stay where they are.

heard an interview on Radio 5 a little earlier
interview with an afghan who was with his extended family
he had landed in greece, and didn't fancy that; ditto croatia
all he wanted was to get into germany or uk or similar

sorry, but he and his family were merely economic refugees, and assuredly we have no obligation take them in and let them gorge on our welfare system

When times are good, hoard it, for "as sure as there is a tomorrow" some time or other things will be bad!



(And you will find your stores are rotten.)

But, as this is a society based on a Sunday Afternoon Christianity the prodigal son can go to hell.

Do as you would like to be done to comes to mind!

Preaching now . Stooped that low .

There is a difference between refugee and economic migrancy. Use the same method we currently use to swperate refugees from migrants.
By the way, not all migrants that came to the UK have a negitave economic effect. For example the governor of the BoE, French tunneling engineers, overseas doctors,nurses,cleaners in the NHS. Overseas students. Etc.
Repeating myself once again, 600k migrants came to the UK last year 300k left . FOR NETT gain of 300k. Some came from EU, we can't control these numbers. Presumably the others were given some sort of permission to be here.
Short of leaving the EU and altering the permission to the others we are not going to change this nett 300k much.
Someone said that about 5k were given right to stay based on them being refugees.
I'm saying, in view of the generational tide of refugees and the burden placed on some countries to deal with it on their own, we should step up and help with the worlds refugee burden.
Bearing in mind that we coped with a Nett 300k (600k coming in) migration into the country last year, we could cope, in this time of world wide refugee crisis by taking more. Up to 100k more.
We will have to make provision and give a bit. 1 in 3 of the population of Lebanon are refugees. If we take 100k that is about 0.2% of our population.
Will we be so badly effected ??

where does the prodigal son come into your equation, though the profligate family might?

over the last 30 years over 23000 have come to the uk with no papers non at all and claiming that their age was nigh on 10 years older than they are they new the system
and would get their pensions 10 years earlier . this is fact costing the uk millions ever year and they get retirement at around 55 and women 50 .

that is the problem allowing the scum in plus all the other benefits till they draw their pension earlier plus the uk services being fcuked up

yes it is fact thousands getting pensions at 50 and 55 .

you're correct wil in the first part
potential migrants who have decent qualifications and/or jobs to go to should be made more than welcome - assuming their qualification is not in pyrotechnics or similar!

in the second part, you look to be wanting to back a second horse, and thus sit on the fence - to make a bad pun

the government should put a tax on rents of say 30% on all rents over £100 a week and a limit of £200 a week rent ,
new homes must give a guarantee for 10 years with no get outs
to fix any problems .
rents are to high house prices are to high tax them . lets have regulations on prices
and profits after all a home is just that a home not an investment

victim,

Watch out I am getting up of my knees.

You can use "economic principles", "market forces", or future economic planning instead of relying on prejudices to formulate the migration policies.

Do it honestly and look at the conclusions!

There are none so blind as those who don't want to see!

Problems are there to be solved not to be denied.

why do you think they destroy all the info on their personage its to fiddle the system

crooks and scum .

if you are brittish try and get out of the uk with out a pass port you will not or get in

MrT - rent controls look lovely in the short term but the downside is that if rents are too depressed, landlords have no incentive to maintain their properties to a high standard ..... secondly, when controls are scrapped, rents rocket to true market

fyi, it's now happening in lisbon

fred you lied your daughter does not work for the home office

Oh wad the power the gift he give us to see ourselves as others see us . Robbie Byrnes ( sorry Robbie roughly translated ).

Tanker . That's less than 1k per year, where do you get your info. about understated age?

Cynic Second part, backing a second horse. I'm lost please help. I know of several migrants with no qualifications running vibrant businesses. I know personally of one export business founded by a migrant without any qualifications that won a Qeens award for business and is extreamely beneficial to the UK.

cynic so be it . the gov should set a rule that they will only pay up to £200 max a week and that is it no more so if you can not afford to rent it sell it or leave it empty
for squatters to move in .

the avge 3 bedroom home is not worth more than £200 a week
the avge house price is around £ 218k in the uk
so after 22 years you have your cash back and still own the house