Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Been reviewing this thread for the last week or so, and sorry to see that there has been no improvement in the type of commenting made by some.

I think the map provided by Hays of Israel and Palestine provides the bases for the present problems.



Would suggest some may find “Extreme Ramblings” by Mark Thomas as an informative humane book about his walk along the Israel’s barrier wall.


Hays,

Watched Owen Jones a few times in the past.

Not sure what to make of him. He seems to do his homework and is fluent on what he speaks on.

Will be interested to see what he develops into at a later date and in what political direction he takes.


I haven’t a clue on how the conflict in Gaza will end, but at the end of the day it will probably end in talking, not aiming missiles at one another and by increasing the economic strengths of the Palestinians and acceptance that the “ordinary” Palestinians and Israelis have equal rights to exist and that coexistence would be better for both sides.

But I am an optimist.

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sorry fred, but the REAL problem lies in the entrenched positions of the two main combatants ..... both believe that the land is theirs and have no interest in finding a solution .... all this is further promoted by the outsiders who back each for different and often nefarious reasons

as i have said before, until the ordinary citizens from both sides of the divide give an unequivocal and loud message to their leaders that it's peace that they want, the conflict will continue

Israel is threatening all sorts of unknown penalties when Abbas takes the application for UN observer status next Friday 29 November which is the anniversary of the original Israel/Palestine partition. Israel madly rushing round to all the EU countries to get them to vote against.

Cynic.

In one way I agree with you that is the ongoing problem is due to misleader-ship on both sides, with the probable corruption by some "political" leaders in order to keep their own authority for personal gain.

But the origin of the problem was the initial designating land to the Israelis, or for "Jews" and the seemingly endless greed of some of the religious and political leadership for expansion,

But what is done and is done, but the ME is in a state of flux and old contracts may not hold. I see the Israelis as running out of time to make a decent and acceptable agreements, before such changes are forced upon them.

No one's mentioned the Israelis immigration policy yet.

The Law of Return (Hebrew: חוק השבות, ḥok ha-shvūt) is Israeli legislation, passed on 5 July 1950, that gives Jews the right of return and settlement in Israel and gain citizenship.[1] In 1970, the right of entry and settlement was extended to people of Jewish ancestry, and their spouses.

Of course it does not allow the 1.5 million Palestinian refugees to return. That includes the 500,000 Palestinians now still living in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon etc. u

Thanks for that H/S I didn't know that, I only mentioned it because of a poster that I saw in the hallway of a jewish restaurant we were in in Krakow last year. The words were something like "Come to Palestine to live" and not Israel.

Easy to understand ME maps

Obviously a pro Israel site, but the majority of Palestine appears to be lost to Syria & Jordan rather than the state of Israel.

A lot of the details are correct as regards the area of Palestine early last century. The details of the varios wars against Israel are also correct. The cause is not discussed properly, in that the Arab population were not consulted regarding the Balfour agreement and partition of Palestine. The imposition of the state of Israel without agreement caused the wars and still causes them. The various atrocities that were committed by Israel against Palestinians after partition are also conveniently left out.

Haystack you have a complete inability to discuss this subject in anything like an objective manner, mostly because by your own admission you have no objectivity where Israel is concerned. But that's ok you have the odd Jewish friend here and there.

#laughingstock

There is no such thing as objectivity in discussions about such things. People have biases and opinions. You are deluding yourself, if you think you can be objective. The most you can hope for is an opinion based on some research. I used to take Israel's side for many years. As I looked further into the situation, my opinion changed.

The last sentence of yours is quite bizzare as the opinion that Israel is in the wrong has nothing to do with the people being Jewish. I would feel the same if they were Catholics, Arabs, Chinese or athiests. I am not anti Jewish, but anti Israel.

exactly so peter, which is why he and his minder fahel make such ridiculous sweeping statements, thus destroying the thrust to any argument they might wish to put forward

Objectivity

The state of being objective, just, unbiased and not influenced by emotions or personal prejudices e

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Not possible

i think the concept of the balfour declaration was remarkably fair and reasonable for the mentality and political agenda of the times ...... however, it's concepts were clearly not adopted in israel's constitution, and with hindsight, more's the pity ..... of course, an awful lot of water and world-changing events have taken place since 1917

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

It was remarkably UNFAIR. No account was taken of the people who lived in the area.

you really are best ignored, as even attempting to discuss in a balanced manner with someone with blind prejudice (you!) is even less productive that arguing with one's wife .... clearly you choose not to read either, but what should one expect

GAZA is a nation of LAZY murdering people they voted for war they want war and do not want peace .they are a nation off beggars and should not be looked on as people
to help.
I HAVE CANCELED MY DEBIT TO THE RED CROSS FOR FEEDING TERRORISTS ,

This is NOT a discussio n You put your views and others put theirs. Objectivity has no place here on either side. If it was possible to be objective then a random sample ofvIsraeli and Arabs would equally support both sides ofvthe argument. The reality is that they are polarized across sectarian lines

hay you are a WAR MONGER AND NOTHING LESS
YOU ARE A NASTY PIECE OF WORK HITLER MUST HAVE BEEN YOUR HERO

and as i have posted several times, until the ordinary citizens from both sides of the divide give an unequivocal and loud message to their leaders that it's peace that they want, the conflict will continue - with plenty of outsiders rubbing their hands with glee, as peace would be a very bad result for them