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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

ptholden - 25 Nov 2012 22:44 - 6319 of 6906

Easy to understand ME maps

Obviously a pro Israel site, but the majority of Palestine appears to be lost to Syria & Jordan rather than the state of Israel.

Haystack - 25 Nov 2012 22:56 - 6320 of 6906

A lot of the details are correct as regards the area of Palestine early last century. The details of the varios wars against Israel are also correct. The cause is not discussed properly, in that the Arab population were not consulted regarding the Balfour agreement and partition of Palestine. The imposition of the state of Israel without agreement caused the wars and still causes them. The various atrocities that were committed by Israel against Palestinians after partition are also conveniently left out.

ptholden - 25 Nov 2012 23:12 - 6321 of 6906

Haystack you have a complete inability to discuss this subject in anything like an objective manner, mostly because by your own admission you have no objectivity where Israel is concerned. But that's ok you have the odd Jewish friend here and there.

#laughingstock

Haystack - 25 Nov 2012 23:48 - 6322 of 6906

There is no such thing as objectivity in discussions about such things. People have biases and opinions. You are deluding yourself, if you think you can be objective. The most you can hope for is an opinion based on some research. I used to take Israel's side for many years. As I looked further into the situation, my opinion changed.

The last sentence of yours is quite bizzare as the opinion that Israel is in the wrong has nothing to do with the people being Jewish. I would feel the same if they were Catholics, Arabs, Chinese or athiests. I am not anti Jewish, but anti Israel.

cynic - 26 Nov 2012 07:35 - 6323 of 6906

exactly so peter, which is why he and his minder fahel make such ridiculous sweeping statements, thus destroying the thrust to any argument they might wish to put forward

Haystack - 26 Nov 2012 08:11 - 6324 of 6906

Objectivity

The state of being objective, just, unbiased and not influenced by emotions or personal prejudices e

.....

Not possible

cynic - 26 Nov 2012 08:11 - 6325 of 6906

i think the concept of the balfour declaration was remarkably fair and reasonable for the mentality and political agenda of the times ...... however, it's concepts were clearly not adopted in israel's constitution, and with hindsight, more's the pity ..... of course, an awful lot of water and world-changing events have taken place since 1917

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Haystack - 26 Nov 2012 08:14 - 6326 of 6906

It was remarkably UNFAIR. No account was taken of the people who lived in the area.

cynic - 26 Nov 2012 08:17 - 6327 of 6906

you really are best ignored, as even attempting to discuss in a balanced manner with someone with blind prejudice (you!) is even less productive that arguing with one's wife .... clearly you choose not to read either, but what should one expect

TANKER - 26 Nov 2012 08:21 - 6328 of 6906

GAZA is a nation of LAZY murdering people they voted for war they want war and do not want peace .they are a nation off beggars and should not be looked on as people
to help.
I HAVE CANCELED MY DEBIT TO THE RED CROSS FOR FEEDING TERRORISTS ,

Haystack - 26 Nov 2012 08:24 - 6329 of 6906

This is NOT a discussio n You put your views and others put theirs. Objectivity has no place here on either side. If it was possible to be objective then a random sample ofvIsraeli and Arabs would equally support both sides ofvthe argument. The reality is that they are polarized across sectarian lines

TANKER - 26 Nov 2012 08:33 - 6330 of 6906

hay you are a WAR MONGER AND NOTHING LESS
YOU ARE A NASTY PIECE OF WORK HITLER MUST HAVE BEEN YOUR HERO

cynic - 26 Nov 2012 08:35 - 6331 of 6906

and as i have posted several times, until the ordinary citizens from both sides of the divide give an unequivocal and loud message to their leaders that it's peace that they want, the conflict will continue - with plenty of outsiders rubbing their hands with glee, as peace would be a very bad result for them

Gausie - 26 Nov 2012 09:46 - 6332 of 6906

You know, the real problem is the flag wavers such as Tanker and Haystack. They don't get directly involved, but prefer instead to cheer their team on from the sidelines, and to vilify the opposition with shallow propaganda.

Unfortunately there are Haystacks and Tankers in every corner of the world, each urging their team on to greater atrocities and finding ways to defend the indefensible. Each team misunderstands their respective idiotic worldwide support and sees that support as something that legitimises their actions. "Both god and world support are on our side"

TANKER - 26 Nov 2012 10:09 - 6333 of 6906

wrong i have said sit down round table on live tv and then the world can
make a decision .
live on tv then we no who wants peace .
war is the worst thing we want .
make gaza and israel one country for all .with the same rights .
not what hamas and iran want of all jews dead.

cynic - 26 Nov 2012 10:42 - 6334 of 6906

Gausie - good post m8, though i'm afraid both HS and T (and fahel) would be considered far too moderate in their outlook by the rabid zealots in both camps

Tanks - make gaza and israel one country for all with the same rights .... this is almost exactly what the balfour declaration specified ..... do you also concur that israel should remain an entity and thus, almost by definition, would it be an israel-based constitution that would apply?

TANKER - 26 Nov 2012 10:50 - 6335 of 6906

a joint gov with all people the same freedom of movement and rights .
give and take threw the courts

Haystack - 26 Nov 2012 11:28 - 6336 of 6906

Unfortunately, that is a fantasy solution. Even Hamas have suggested a joint country. A major sticking point would be the Israeli constitution.

It is important that there is world opinion for the sides. That will be apparant from this Friday with the application of Palestine to join the UN. The level of world support will be clear when the UN votes about 6 to 1 in favour of Palestine.

cynic - 26 Nov 2012 11:43 - 6337 of 6906

surely the UN resolution is to confirm that the palestinians should have their own homeland (gaza for simplicity, and a comparatively modest area) and self rule of some kind and NOT that israel should effectively be dismantled, which is very different from your perpetual rant

TANKER - 26 Nov 2012 12:05 - 6338 of 6906

Unfortunately, that is a fantasy solution. Even Hamas have suggested a joint country. A major sticking point would be the Israeli constitution.
it is war mongers like you that are the problems you are a hateful sub human
hay who wants killings for your pleasure . you are slime of the worst kind
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