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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

cynic - 18 Jan 2008 22:03 - 634 of 21973

RF .... sorry m8, but your logic is ridiculously narrow ..... i am no economist or analyst or even an accountant, thank goodness, but regardless of the mess the US appears (chose that word intentionally) to be in, it is almost imperative to the wellbeing of the rest of the world that the US economy remains robust and that the peasants keep spending, spending, spending ..... it may well be, and perhaps now just may be the time, though i suspect not, that the wheels really do finally and irrevocably fall off .... and God help us all if that is the case

HARRYCAT - 19 Jan 2008 10:36 - 635 of 21973

I think that one thing is almost certain is that when the FED reduce their interest rate then the DOW & the FTSE will see a big bounce. Not sure of the exact date for their review, but certainly worth looking at stocks which are oversold & due for a correction. One problem may be that if they only reduce by a quarter point, then this will disappoint the market, but nevertheless a bounce is likely.

Falcothou - 19 Jan 2008 11:16 - 636 of 21973

Looks like Gordon Brown is off to China to sell off the UK ! I have started learning Mandarin the Berlitz way, apparently takes 28 days!
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article3213566.ece

cynic - 19 Jan 2008 11:38 - 637 of 21973

i am inclined to agree with you Harry ..... Dow just may dip a bit more on Monday to truly test that 12000 level, but a good bounce is certainly due ...... whether or not it can be sustained is much more questionable ..... for myself, i am pleased that though decidedly bloodied and battered, i took some much needed action (should have done it at the first reak in Dow - fathead!) so have a reasonable war chest should i want to risk anything.

not sure whether the markets have already factored in a 0.5% cut by the Fed, and certainly anything less will mean a further slump in the market .... if Fed cuts by more than that, then the reaction could be in either direction, albeit that there will be the usual 10 minute euphoria ..... i believe Tuesday is chalked in as announcement day

HARRYCAT - 20 Jan 2008 10:46 - 638 of 21973

FOMC announcement looks to be on wed 30th Jan '08. (According to CNN calender of events).

spitfire43 - 20 Jan 2008 14:48 - 639 of 21973

I believe the fed annoucement is due on 30th also, unless thay surprise the market and make an early intervention, lets hope not it would be seen as panic by the markets. I can only see a 0.5% cut, the fed knows what the reaction to anything less would be, and they have already indicated that they will take strong action to avert a recession in the US. I would think the markets would rally strongly at first, but not for long with the large players moving in to try and off load some holdings. (They should have been offloading 4 or 5 months back.) It's good to see reading these bb that most private investors seem to be in a healthy cash position now.

I will be very carefull re-investing in equilties evenly over the next year in small amount's, so as not to be caught out with timing, and content myself with CFD trading for now.

required field - 20 Jan 2008 15:13 - 640 of 21973

Well yes Cynic, I hope that the americans and canadians keep on spending, but can they afford to ?, these interest rate cuts are a short term fix for a whole stack of problems.

spitfire43 - 20 Jan 2008 18:20 - 641 of 21973

interest cuts will be a short term fix in US and UK, I would guess and hope that this time they might just get away it. But the cost will be a few years down the line, unless debt and trade deficits in both the US and UK are not brought under control. If interest cuts work for a few years, I will try and take advantage for a few years, before going defensive again.

spitfire43 - 20 Jan 2008 18:42 - 642 of 21973

Rather then being idle for the weekend, I found an historic list of PE and Yields for the FTSE 100, see below.

Year-----PE-----Yield
1994----17.56---3.95
1995----15.26---4.13
1996----15.13---3.97
1997----17.57---3.46
1998----21.32---2.91
1999----27.36---2.32
2000----27.22---2.09
2001----20.89---2.47
2002----19.81---3.08
2003----17.04---3.30
2004----16.10---3.24
2005----14.52---3.19
now----11.00?---4.00?

At the market low point in 1982, before the greatest bull run in history the market PE stood at 8. Using this PE today would give a FTSE 100 bottom of 4920.

The market low in 1998 was 21% from high, which today would mean a low for FTSE 100 of 5324.

In all bear markets since 1964 the average fall was 34%, and lasted an average of 57 weeks, using 34% from 2007 high would give FTSE 100 at 4448.

In the 1973 Bear market the fall was 73% and lasted 136 weeks, the fall today ? Well I would rather not go there.

Hope you find the above interesting, and good luck to all in what will be a very interesting few weeks. On a more cheerful note, Had a nice game of Golf in the sun today, followed by a good cycle ride. Time now for a glass of wine. Cheers.

jimmy b - 21 Jan 2008 08:41 - 643 of 21973

Taking a battering this morning and the Dow has well broken the 12000 .

spitfire43 - 21 Jan 2008 10:05 - 644 of 21973

When I checked earlier and saw FTSE fall 150 point's, I assumed that volume would be high with some panic selling. But no most companies have had even trading, with a few seeing double buying to selling. SOLA is interesting with double sells to buys, this is becoming more tempting for a short now, not quite there yet.

cynic - 21 Jan 2008 16:24 - 645 of 21973

i have shorted SOLA this morning and very comfortable to have done so.
Dow is indicating a terrifying fall of 500 points, so will be interesting(perhaps a curious choiuce of words unless one is a total masochist) to see how it actually opens tomorrow (closed today)

ptholden - 21 Jan 2008 16:53 - 646 of 21973

9/11 didn't cause this much of a fall. If Asia stages anything of a recovery when it opens later, that +500 predicted fall on the DOW will quickly become an awful lot less. IF

cynic - 21 Jan 2008 17:05 - 647 of 21973

really? what was fall 9/11?

spitfire43 - 21 Jan 2008 17:45 - 648 of 21973

A possible scenerio for tomorrow could be an emergency cut from the FED before the DOW opens, if this happens it would be a totally different picture.(short term) They must be very concerned with falls in Europe and Asia, they might even take drastic action and go for more than .500bhp.

Wouldn't be surprised if this happened, so be careful going short.

cynic - 21 Jan 2008 18:04 - 649 of 21973

SOLA short is partly insurance and partly because i think SOLA is a rubbish company .... i don't trust the chinese!

ptholden - 21 Jan 2008 18:09 - 650 of 21973

Apologies, that comment re the 9/11 fall was incorrect. The DOW fell 684 points when it re-opened following 4 days of closure. Not sure what the FTSE fall was, but certainly less than today and in any event recovered quite smartly intraday.

cynic - 21 Jan 2008 18:50 - 651 of 21973

not today it didn't ... started to and then collapsed again ..... down 350+ by close i think

i would like to think (fondly imagine!) that F/E will stage some sort of recovery overnight, or at worst not collapse further ..... US opening and then ultimate close is anyone's guess

required field - 21 Jan 2008 21:00 - 652 of 21973

Here we are in January and this happens, don't forget we have the sell in May and go away to look forward to; ( hurray...turning into aaghhhh ! )

cynic - 22 Jan 2008 07:59 - 653 of 21973

FTSE indicating to open in a couple of minutes -185
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