Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Another thing about employment and Trident, is moving away from Trident can take place over 20 years. The skilled jobs "could" be "transferred" to other more rewarding projects.

"up and at them brigade" in relation to what?

I see it as Cameron's inspiring responses to many problems, followed by U-turns.

Also, see many of the members of British First, UKIP, BNP and neocon branch of the present so called tory party responses in the manner of "Return to the days of Empire Philosophy."

how dull and somewhat predictable of you fred :-)

i rather hoped you'ld be backing JC on his stance on syria where, i confess, i think he's talking absolute bollocks ...... WW2 and others settled by nice talky-talkies?

Iraq.

Bloody brilliant.

Or just bloody and a precursor to some of the mess in the M.E. now.

Libya, bloody brilliant and your new next door neighbour in the Thames valley from there.

Let's go and bomb Syria with Captain Marvel in the pilot seat.

At the end of the bloodshed there is talk-talk.

Why does the name of UK and USA stink in M.E and other parts of the world.

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Action against Assad and ground troops in Syria.

Yes, under the auspices of the UN.

Unless, of course, you want to test out British Military against Putin's

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But I don't suppose you will be shedding any of your or your family's blood, if Cameron goes gun-ho to bolster his failing EU negotiations.

You are both out of touch with reality.

so fred, you think syria should be left to its own devices?
or are you recommending that someone goes to play footsy with IS and/or assad?

both the above would make the augean stables smell like the sweetest of violets, but assad is probably the less vile
no question in my mind but that US (and everyone else) has formed an unholy alliance with putin (russia) which will suit ....... as often said, my enemy's enemy is my friend

i certainly don't recollect tea and cucumber sandwiches being held with the remaining leaders in germany and japan once hostilites ceased

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with regard to iraq, we were all gulled by "your friend" that hussain had WMDs which could be activated with minimum warning and time delay
on that basis, and albeit with reluctance, action had to be taken ...... years of talking to him yielded less than bugger all

What a lovely couple ....

If you are so certain, buy a property in Syria, have a holiday every year there, and sit back and enjoy it. Good opportunity!

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If action was sanctified by United Nations then I would accept, without liking it, a United Nations Force, as long as it has troops from all the major nations were included, especially troops from the ME, stepping into Syria and surrounding "area" and suppressing "Isis" and Assad and other groups.

On the understanding, that it was for a temporary period with a government made up from representatives of the major groups.

But that means feet on the ground and a possible commitment for 15-20 years.

Think how the taxpayers and little Englanders will squawk.

But I would also go for the gun suppliers and the corruption around buying and selling commodities in that area.

Also, the peripheral states would be expected to commit to the costs of the operations.


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Blair.

No friend of mine, didn't fancy him in 1997 and little has changed my mind.

To me, he had a detachment from reality and believed like Osborne and Cameron and others in their own but lacking superiority.

I think he was more honest than Cameron, but that is not saying much!

If you are so certain, buy a property in Syria, have a holiday every year there, and sit back and enjoy it. Good opportunity!

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If action was sanctified by United Nations then I would accept, without liking it, a United Nations Force, as long as it has troops from all the major nations were included, especially troops from the ME, stepping into Syria and surrounding "area" and suppressing "Isis" and Assad and other groups.

On the understanding, that it was for a temporary period with a government made up from representatives of the major groups.

But that means feet on the ground and a possible commitment for 15-20 years.

Think how the taxpayers and little Englanders will squawk.

But I would also go for the gun suppliers and the corruption around buying and selling commodities in that area.

Also, the peripheral states would be expected to commit to the costs of the operations.


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Blair.

No friend of mine, didn't fancy him in 1997 and little has changed my mind.

To me, he had a detachment from reality and believed like Osborne and Cameron and others in their own but lacking superiority.

I think he was more honest than Cameron, but that is not saying much!

JB.

Self-deception is an interesting phenomenon.

It seems one of your stronger attributes!

sanctified by United Nations
so now that organisation has been elected to the college of cardinals or higher?

of course, what you're really saying is that in the present situation, you'ld do nothing at all, and just (as usual) blame everyone else for the continuing disaster - and of course blame everyone for not taking the lead or any action whatsoever

There you go again Fred , name calling , why do i deceive myself ?

Manuel,

No.

But fools like you rushing in "when" angels fear to tread.

But I am happy if you are going to "take" action, rather than gather with the vultures to scavenge the pickings.

Woman on Sky this morning complaining that she has been caught and fined for travelling without a ticket on the capitalist railway. Not her fault of course, she was in a hurry to an important meeting... I would guess not with her beautician. An army of at least 10 ticket inspectors were waiting for her. Said that she supported the re-nationalisation of the railways and then no one would ride without a ticket because they wouldn't wish to harm a public asset. Clearly not aware of benefit or NHS fraud. These people live in their own imaginary Corbyland.

it,

Are you sure it not a virtue of conservative proportion.

Lord Hanningfield charged with false accounting over expenses
Lord Hanningfield has been charged with false accounting in relation to allegations of expenses fraud.
In a statement, the Crown Prosecution Service said it related to "claims for daily allowance at the House of Lords".
Lord Hanningfield's lawyer said the peer, a former Conservative council leader, was "very disappointed" at the decision.
The peer will appear before Westminster Magistrates Court on 29 October 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34401900

JB and Manuel,


Are you rushing to put your uniforms on and rushing to help the Red invasion in Syria?

Better take you pitch forks with you!

Sorry buckets and spades.

meanwhile fred, you won't even say what YOU would do in the immediate future in TODAY'S situation
obvious conclusion is that you wouldn't even get on the fence

i could equally enquire if you have yet booked your flight so you can give humanitarian aid on the spot .... and of course to build sand castles in your spare time

At the moment, I would say "After you"!

But if you go back on this thread a little way 2011-2012 when you made a similar comment you will see what I wrote then.

The time has been lost!

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I wonder if it will spread to ?

so i take it you have done nothing useful yourself either, but merely contented yourself (very smugly) blaming or castigating everyone else