Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

There you go again Fred , name calling , why do i deceive myself ?

Manuel,

No.

But fools like you rushing in "when" angels fear to tread.

But I am happy if you are going to "take" action, rather than gather with the vultures to scavenge the pickings.

Woman on Sky this morning complaining that she has been caught and fined for travelling without a ticket on the capitalist railway. Not her fault of course, she was in a hurry to an important meeting... I would guess not with her beautician. An army of at least 10 ticket inspectors were waiting for her. Said that she supported the re-nationalisation of the railways and then no one would ride without a ticket because they wouldn't wish to harm a public asset. Clearly not aware of benefit or NHS fraud. These people live in their own imaginary Corbyland.

it,

Are you sure it not a virtue of conservative proportion.

Lord Hanningfield charged with false accounting over expenses
Lord Hanningfield has been charged with false accounting in relation to allegations of expenses fraud.
In a statement, the Crown Prosecution Service said it related to "claims for daily allowance at the House of Lords".
Lord Hanningfield's lawyer said the peer, a former Conservative council leader, was "very disappointed" at the decision.
The peer will appear before Westminster Magistrates Court on 29 October 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34401900

JB and Manuel,


Are you rushing to put your uniforms on and rushing to help the Red invasion in Syria?

Better take you pitch forks with you!

Sorry buckets and spades.

meanwhile fred, you won't even say what YOU would do in the immediate future in TODAY'S situation
obvious conclusion is that you wouldn't even get on the fence

i could equally enquire if you have yet booked your flight so you can give humanitarian aid on the spot .... and of course to build sand castles in your spare time

At the moment, I would say "After you"!

But if you go back on this thread a little way 2011-2012 when you made a similar comment you will see what I wrote then.

The time has been lost!

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I wonder if it will spread to ?

so i take it you have done nothing useful yourself either, but merely contented yourself (very smugly) blaming or castigating everyone else

You remind me of watching a person encouraging an "idiot" running towards a shed fire with a fire extinguisher in his hand, in order to save the shed.


Another observer, held him back and told him that the shed was actually a magazine full of explosives.

Sometimes the best action in masterly inaction.

The answer is sometimes to tolerate the anxiety of not knowing and say ‘I know too little’ and ‘I do not know enough to judge’.

you're quite good at ducking and diving, but then you've had many years practice at never ever answering the question raised ...... good training by your dad from his union days no doubt

My father had good working relationship and mutual respect for the Trade Unions and much of the leadership and intent of union leaders in South Wales.

He respected their aims and values in general, not necessarily the route they sometimes took.

But, he also managed one of the few profitable pits in South Wales with only one strike in about 25years. And that was on a Xmas Eve.

His comment was they will be back in after boxing day and we will continue doing necessary repairs.

PS.

He was also one of the highest paid managers after and before Nationalisation.

But, his father, who was a miner, had died when he was five years old and he himself at the age of 12 had left school and started working underground.

He qualified with Colliery Manager qualifications at 21years of age, by working double shifts and night schools and was glad to have the unions change the working conditions and welfare provisions for others that followed him.

When possible, he saw the benefits to all of decent standard of education and "safe" working conditions with decent rewards.

He was a Liberal by background, but had respect for the views of others.

He was also a tough old bugger.

by the way fred, with the full benefit of hindsight and knowing how you love hearkening back several decades, what would you have done or even supported in 1938?

It was a justifiable war on the part of UK and Empire (as then), America, "Free" Europe as then.

I think we don't know the amount of peddling underwater was going before 1939 in preparation for war.

Germany, was an aggressor.

The UK was lucky with much of the West.

Were the Poles, Czechs and other Eastern block countries as lucky?

In Iraq, America and the UK were.

I don't think that the route taken to "rid" Iraq Saddam was the right one.

The aftermaths can be seen.


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The one thing I learnt from playing chess and helping my grandson and granddaughter to do, is to stand back and see the whole game before making a move.

(Interesting revelation to me is that although my father didn't play chess that is what he often advised me to do.)

63470 - quite so, but IS is surely equally an "aggressor" in syria, yet in that instance you just want more jaw-jaw

iraq is a different story - and most certainly driven by oil - for the whole raison d'etre presented was an out and out lie

It is the distribution of the fireworks and their nature.

To enter into the arena without peripheral support of the majority of surrounding countries, would I think be madness.


To control an entity like ISIS seems to me to need massive ground forces and cooperation of the population.

Attempting to bomb ISIS or similar "organisation" into submission has a slim chance and leads to its dispersion through the M.E. and further.

Also, it breeds resentment, which will stimulate many to seek revenge.

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One of the problems with Ireland and the recent Balkans wars was based on resentments bred in Ireland in the 1900s (and before) and 1939 -45-50 periods in "Yugoslavia".

They wanted to get their own back, as well as "equality" of "rights".

Killing each other didn't settle the disagreements. A mutual gain from a bloody awful situation and tiredness or exhaustion did so.

lest you should be attempting to do so, you really can't draw a parallel between ireland and syria, nor really between the balkans and syria

i confess i know very little about IS, but they certainly would not appear to have been invited into syria or any of the surrounding areas ..... further, IS appear to be even more loony than the taliban or al qaeda .... i was going to add the mahdi, though the initial cause there was to kick out the turks, with the imposition of fundamentalist islam also at the forefront of the agenda

The underlying motivations, driving forces, emotion are the same in all those situations.

Distorting them to motivate others to "action" and "seeming gains" varies from "leader" to "leader".

The problem with beliefs and ideology is the layers of primitivism that they cover up!

Resolving those "conflicts" needs finding a common, recognisable and acceptable gaols.

Difficult.

please explain with reference to IS
for myself, IS's end goal looks even more vague than that of the leader of the mahdi revolt

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recognisable and acceptable gaols
perhaps guantanamo would make a good model :-)

more seriously, IS is at odds with all other than its own adherents, who really aren't numerically great, and assuredly not with the populace of syria, as highlighted by the numbers fleeing the country

Get the tissues out ready for reading this.

A goal sometimes turns out to be a gaol!

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the thought of one terrorist blowing up a "building" in London is sufficient to keep the government on edge. Numbers aren't always necessary.

Besides the threat of ISIS and its thugs always reminds me of BNP, UKIP and looney left and neocon followers. Their herd instinct take over, although thankfully at the moment in the UK there is restraint.

Did all Germans believe in fascist ideology, did all Russian believe in communism?

No but the went along with it to save their own lives.

I suspect the same in Syria etc.