Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Damn.

Cameron's speech today!

Tony Blair warns extremist ideology 'has wide support among Muslims'

Tony Blair said that unless religious prejudice in Muslim communities is rooted out, the threat from extremists will not be defeated

The ideology which drives Islamic extremists has significant support from Muslims around the world, Tony Blair has warned.

Speaking at the 9/11 Memorial Museum in New York, Mr Blair said that while the numbers who engage in violence through groups like Islamic State are relatively small, many of their views are widely shared.

"The conspiracy theories which illuminate much of the jihadi writings have significant support even amongst parts of the mainstream population of some Muslim countries," he said.

"There are millions of school children every day in countries round the world - not just in the Middle East - who are taught a view of the world and of their religion which is narrow-minded, prejudicial and therefore in the context of a globalised world, dangerous."

Mr Blair acknowledged that attacking ideas which resonate in parts of mainstream Muslim society could appear to be an attack on Muslims rather than just extremists, but he said such concerns have to be overcome.

"If large numbers of people really do believe that the desire of the USA or the West is to disrespect or oppress Islam, then it is not surprising that some find recourse to violence acceptable in order to re-assert the 'dignity' of the oppressed," he said.

"If young people are educated that Jews are evil or that anyone who holds a different view of religion is an enemy, it is obvious that this prejudice will give rise, in certain circumstances, to action in accordance with it.

"The reality is that in parts of the Muslim community a discourse has grown up which is profoundly hostile to peaceful co-existence. Countering this is an essential part of fighting extremism."

IS HANCOCK OVERPAID?

"Tory Minister Matthew Hancock: Under 25s Are Too Unproductive To Warrant National Living Wage"
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Workers under the age of 25 are not “productive” enough to warrant being paid the new National Living Wage, according to Government Minister Matthew Hancock.

In this summer’s budget, Chancellor George Osborne announced a new minimum wage for over 25s would come into force from next April, starting at £7.20 an hour and increasing to £9 by 2020.

But those under 25 will be on the old minimum wage rates, meaning they are entitled to £6.70 an hour, down to £5.30 for 18 to 20 year olds and £3.87 for under 18s.

Trade union Unison said the remarks showed the Government was "out of touch", while Labour claimed Mr Hancock had let "the cat out of the bag".

A Survation poll for the Huffington Post published last week showed the majority of Britons – 66 per cent - believe the new higher rate should be given to under 25s.

Speaking at a fringe event at the Conservative Party conference in Manchester this afternoon, Mr Hancock defended the different rates.

He said: “This was an active policy choice. Youth unemployment, whilst falling quite sharply, is still a long way above the unemployment rate for the over 25s.

“Anybody who has employed people knows that younger people, especially in their first jobs, are not as productive, on average.

“Now there are some who are very productive under the age of 25 but you have to set policy for the average. It was an active choice not to cover the under 25s.”


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Stoking up problems.

Interesting chart!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/03/national-living-wage-osborne-resolution-foundation_n_8083146.html

Tony Bliar, University Challenge, subject stating the bleeding obvious!

Tell us something we dont know Mr Blair. But fair dos saying it loud and clear in NY. Something Obama would never do. He refuses to say Islamic terrorism despite these deviants coining the term ISIS. Prefers violent extremism...

ah well, no us president has ever dared say boo to the israeli gov't either

I have to agree with you on that.

But I havent seen jews cutting off the heads of innocent people...

that much is true, but surely i don't need to bore you with israel's appalling treatment of the palestinians, nor the slow annexation of more and more land on the west bank?

I am just as appalled as you at the recent destruction in Gaza, cynic. And at Netanyahu's obvious refusal to accomodate the palestinians in any way. I am reminded of that every time I go through an airport. I am also aware that the zionists, Irgun and Lehi, carried out terrorist acts against British police and soldiers in Palestine during the mandate.
But I am talking about the so called ISIL. An organisation universally recognised as a murderous islamic sect that needs to be wiped out. Some islamists may say the same about Israel but that is not relevant to the argument.

i actually agree with you

if you are interested in m/e history and politics, may i commend to you
My Promised Land: The Triumph and Tragedy of Israel by Ari Shavit?

it's very readable and i certainly found it very interesting, opening my eyes to a number of things

It is a good book. I bought it on cynic's recommendation.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/corbyn-isolated-in-europe-over-threat-posed-by-isis-cameron

Thanks Cynic/Hays. I have downloaded the kindle edition from Amazon. I heard a lot about Palestine from my father who was a professional soldier. Signed up in 38.
In the 90s I had a jewish group as minority partners in a JV. I heard about the other side from their president who was active running guns during that period. He and his wife, both now dead, have a faculty named after them at the Weizmann Institute.
One of his comments I always remember was "always get the other person to pay the bill for the meal, and you give a big tip. No one remembers who paid for a meal, but a good tipper... "
I paid for the meal even though he owned 35% of the restaurant. ))

I would also read "The Holocaust Industry" by Norman Finkelstein. He is an Israeli born Jew but not popular there these days. He is an academic and his parents were survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto and concentration camps.

It is available for free download here

https://archive.org/download/HolocaustIndustry/nf_holocaust_industry.pdf

Thanks.
Schlock. Nice word that could be used a lot. More refined than plain crap. I have only read the foreword so far but what he says is compelling and easily recognisable.

What a dreadful speech by Cameron.

I thought it was The Tinker speaking.

Mantra, mantra, orchestrated clap and a sick bowl passed around.

McMillan built 300,000 a year in the 50s.

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The tinker party is moving backwards, retrogressive.

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The tory hype reminds me of the hype around a recent rugby team.

I doubt he thinks much of you either Fred !