Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

http://www.thejc.com/judaism/judaism-features/102301/how-eruv-liberated-families-shabbat

In strict topology terms, a wire enclosing a space also encloses the rest of the world on the outside of the wire. An extreme case would be a wire round the equator. It would enclose both halves separately.

not the "cheat" i heard
it related to leaving small personal items along the way, so when you reached one "checkpoint" you started again
oh well, it harms no one i guess, and it's less hypocritical than the many jews who insist on keeping a kosher home but will happily eat a bacon roll at the office, or other similar

Almost all my Jewish friends eat bacon as do my Muslim friends. They say they keep to most of the rules, but cannot resist bacon. The Muslim ones also drink alcohol, sometimes gamble and borrow money and pay interest.

does he eat pork as well?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/forget-the-hug-a-gay-british-muslim-act-this-tory-party-is-hard-right-a6685171.html


Forget the hug-a-gay-British-Muslim act, this Tory party is hard right
Cameron's rhetoric of compassion gives the Conservative heartland something to feel good about – but the party's fiscal and social instincts are now more hard-nosed than ever
Dominic Minghella Wednesday 7 October 2015 18:39 BST1 comment




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David Cameron vists Neasden Hindu Temple a few days before the May 2015 election Niklas Halle'n - WPA Pool/Getty Images
David Cameron, in his first conference as leader of a majority Tory government, just gave a speech which could have been delivered by Tony Blair.

He launched an all-out assault on poverty. He bemoaned the impossibility of 'true opportunity' without meaningful equality. He berated our woeful record on social mobility. The incapacity of our justice system to rehabilitate. And of course the inability of a whole generation to get on the property ladder.

Jeremy Corbyn snubs the Queen, saying he is too busy to be sworn in to the Privy Council

Labour leader had been expected to be sworn in at the meeting, the first since he became Labour leader last month

Jeremy Corbyn has snubbed the Queen by refusing to be sworn into the Privy Council on Thursday, as it emerged he could use a loophole to join the advisory body without ever meeting Her Majesty.

The Labour leader, a lifelong republican, is known to have reservations about kneeling in front of the Queen and kissing her hand as he swears an oath of allegiance to her, which is the normal process when a new Privy Councillor is sworn in.

And having refused to sing the National Anthem at a Battle of Britain 75th anniversary service last month, Mr Corbyn tried to dodge the issue by saying he could not attend tomorrow’s meeting due to unspecified “prior engagements”.

The Telegraph has learnt that Mr Corbyn could choose to avoid meeting the Queen altogether, using a mechanism called an Order in Council, by which the Privy Council, including the monarch, agrees to appoint a new member without them being present.

For that to happen Mr Corbyn, who has never met the Queen, would still have to confirm that he had taken the oath, but would avoid kneeling before the sovereign.

If he does so, it is understood he would be the first Leader of the Opposition to refuse to be sworn in the presence of the monarch. Orders in Council are usually used only for Privy Council members who are based abroad, such as prime ministers of Commonwealth realms.

One member of the Council was appalled at the snub, saying: “Firstly it is deeply insulting and secondly it is not grown up – not to go to see the monarch is just extraordinary.

“I am sure that what they would have done is not make him kneel. But what this really means is that he is not prepared to put himself in the position of a serious leader who can be trusted.”

The Queen, who returned to London from her summer holiday in Balmoral on Wednesday, will meet her Privy Councillors for the first time in 10 weeks on Thursday at Buckingham Palace, and might reasonably have expected Mr Corbyn to take the opportunity to be sworn, a process which gives him the right to receive government intelligence briefings.

One Whitehall source said: “The whole point is that he is entering into an agreement with the State which gives him access to material and creates a relationship of trust.

"If he were to go down the route of becoming a member through an Order in Council that would probably be an indication that he never intended to attend.

"He is under no obligation to attend in person but any leader of the Opposition would normally be expected to be there."

Mr Corbyn was invited by David Cameron to join the Privy Council when he phoned him to congratulate him on becoming Leader of Her Majesty’s Most Loyal Opposition, to use his full title, after he was chosen by the Labour Party on September 12.

It was then up to his staff to contact Buckingham Palace and confirm the date when he will attend to be sworn. Buckingham Palace does not issue a formal invitation.

Mr Corbyn’s spokesman said the Labour leader was invited to attend Thursday’s meeting but had sent his apologies, citing “prior engagements”. A source close to Mr Corbyn insisted: "It's not a snub."

He declined to say when he might attend a meeting of the Council, saying: “That needs to be resolved. I don’t know what his timetable is.”

The Privy Council, whose origins date back to Norman times, has more than 600 members, including government ministers, bishops and judges, but only a handful usually attend its monthly meetings.

Mr Corbyn’s predecessors Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown were already members of the Privy Council when they became Labour leader, having previously been Cabinet ministers, while Tony Blair was sworn in six days after becoming Labour leader. David Cameron was sworn just over a week after becoming Tory leader, and his immediate predecessors were already members through previous front bench experience.

Michael Foot, Labour’s most left-wing leader of recent decades before Mr Corbyn, was already a member when he led the party, and Neil Kinnock was sworn just over two weeks after he was elected leader.

Typically a leader of the opposition will only attend one meeting of the Privy Council, but Mr Corbyn has questioned whether the Leader of the Opposition should have to join the Council at all.

Asked last month if he would kneel in the ceremony, he told the BBC: “'I didn’t know that was involved actually. So we'll have to find out about it, OK?”

Sir Alan Duncan, a Conservative MP and a Council member, said: “‘The Queen has always put herself above politics, but Jeremy Corbyn seems to want to put his politics above the Queen.

“This is not so much about snubs, insults or ceremonies: it’s more about whether Jeremy Corbyn wants to be a serious political figure or just a perpetual rebel.”

Tory MP Keith Simpson, a member since last year, said: “It is a snub for the Queen in the sense that she is a constitutional Monarch and she represents the constitutional way in which we do business.”

“Either he has got a more important engagement – I can’t think what, or I suspect he is trying to delay the moment.

“Once you are sworn in as a Privy Councillor then you can be told certain things in confidence and as far as the Leader of the Opposition is told you are told things that are serious.

“If you are not sworn in, you can’t be told. It may be that he does not want to be constrained by being told things that involve national security."

The Cabinet Office, which speaks on behalf of the Privy Council, and Buckingham Palace both declined to comment.

The news came as Tony Blair said it would be inappropriate to talk about Mr Corbyn during a visit to the 9/11 memorial and refused to mention the new Labour leader by name.

In response to a question about whether he welcomed Mr Corbyn’s election Mr Blair said he would not answer, “particularly not here in this museum memorial to 9/11.”

Mr Corbyn has described the killing of Al Qaeda mastermind Osama Bin Laden as a "tragedy".

Wasn't Cameron just great Fred . I love a Tory get together .

jb,

Yes, it reminds of the Bullingdon club and being high on mind-altering drugs and the long-term effects.

Every time i listen to Corbyn i think i'm on LSD ,nice chap that he seems .

63682 - i've no objection to that at all; it's the hypocrisy of insisting on keeping a kosher home (at least strictly no pork or shellfish and similar) but making a mockery of those rules once out

Jb,

Check what goes into your coffee!

I often think you are on LSD.

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I thought Manuel's had 2 kitchens.

Mind the your party was a bit mired.

Is Corbyn a schlock, schmuck, schemozzle or schlemiel? Or do all of them fit?

I suspect Cameroon has to pinch himself every morning.

Would that be before or after he's checked the location of his genitalia, Max?

fred - i don't have two houses and nor have i ever lived in a kosher let alone glatt kosher home :-)


iturama - undoubtedly just a schlemiel lording over a schemozzle, but he's certainly no schmuck

A couple of observations while flicking channels:
Last night. A young woman being evicted from benefit assisted accommodation by bailiffs. I must phone mum she said pulling out her rose gold iPhone 6S plus.
Today. Male Syrian migrant at German "refugee" camp calling his wife in Damascus by Skype. Would try to get her over. Escaped to avoid possible military service. Would go back if there was peace.

Wouldn't you?

I suppose all our young men who were called up to fight in the second world war should have run away to somewhere instead of dying in Europe fighting for your freedom Fred.