Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

You predecessors had the “wealth” and “know-how” to get into Britain and came to “better” themselves.

wrong almost from start to finish
it's all a bit sketchy, for no one would talk about it, but my mother's parents both came from poland and most assuredly neither were wealthy
i'm certain that grandfather came across as the usual stowage class and (i think) started off in glasgow or perhaps l'pool at the turn of 20th century
i think for health reasons (asthma) he eventually ended up in harrogate

my mother's mother's family was already living in leeds at that time, but i don't know the history

by about 1920, my grandfather has set up a shop in harrogate, and in due course, he made a very good business out of it, though it would have been my grandmother who kept tight rein on the finances

his strong support of charities is well-documented

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on my father's side, his father was born of hasidic stock in 1889 in a small town near warsaw, and again was assuredly not from a wealthy family, his father dying very poor indeed ..... he came to london in 1905 and to learn a trade became apprenticed as a tailor, working 6 days a week from 7 in the morning until 10 at night, with much less work when times were slack

i don't know the history of my father's mother, but i think she too came from similar "wealth"!

in due course, my grandfather created a very successful business and also heavily supported a number of charities

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your knowledge of history is reasonably eclectic, so now tell me what cause and/or corner they were meant to fight in poland?

I wrote, "wealth".

Check the meaning.

Also, check what you have written previously.

Also, one would expect from what you have written above that you would have more empathy, compassion and benevolence to those who are fleeing from the "persecution", whether for economic, religious, racial, or political reasons.

Probably, too much to hope for!

But, as is said, "you are a self-made man!"

fred - i don't like to say it, but you're an arsehole .... you tell me to read back what i wrote previously .....well i suggest it is YOU who needs to check back what i wrote a good number of times about the situation TODAY .... or are you such a dummy that i have to repeat it for you yet again, re the massive difference between economic migrants and those who are genuine refugees in fear of their lives? ..... and try to work out for yourself, the difference between the state of the world and europe in 1900 and again in the 1930s and now today (with its cosy welfare state especially in uk)

actually, it's almost certainly far too difficult for you, not least because it won't fit comfortably into your own cuddly utopian little agenda

Now now c!

Fred's entitled to his delusions.

you're right max, and i don't often rise to this sort of snide comment, innuendo and worse, but it certainly makes me cross ..... actually, i'm ashamed of fred, for he's actually quite an intelligent chap but his comments verge on the ignorant in it's most pejorative sense

Manuel,

The difference between economic and political migrants is that in the first the individual and dependents may starve to death and while in the other the individual and dependents are shot or persecuted.

You could face up to any self-deception attempts at face-saving, in order to save yourself from re-evaluating the morality of your opinion.

You appear to chose your position based on what may benefit you materially, rather than what others would consider humanitarian needs of others.

Such is you right.

But it seems to disregard, the "protection" and "kindness" that the UK showed previous members of you family, when they came to this country.

Many of the potential migrants and dependents seem to be in similar situations to your Polish ancestors.

But, of course when you feel safe, you can pull up the drawbridge.

Before hammering the keys try thinking!

LOL Fred, you really are a TxxT. But credit where it is due your good at winding cynic up, he's like a lamb to the slaughter :0)

I am so pleased that I can't read what Fred is posting.

hilary - 08 Oct 2015 12:21 - 63699 of 63725

I learned all about Damascus at school. Apparently it kills 99% of all known germs. :o)



I remember learning that too I guess we must have done the same syllabus ... also remember the story about Popeye knocking out Jesus when he went to Mount Olive :-)

thanks for the support chris .... if i could actually work out where it was

meanwhile, an entertaining cartoon on JC and the queen in today's guardian

Trying to make mountains out of molehills.

at least it's amusing unlike the usually crap you post

Go back to bed and restart your medication!

Again attempts to make mountains out of molehills.


Somebody translate for Hazyone as he pops down to Party Central office for another Crosby briefing


"Thursday's Daily Telegraph

A member of the council claimed they were "appalled" at the move, calling it "deeply insulting" and "not grown up".

But there is quite a history of Conservative MPs who had done just the same thing as Corbyn.

Professor Dan Rebellato, an academic at Royal Holloway University, unearthed details of top Tories, some of whom still remain in the Cabinet, who also turned down an invitation to meet the Queen and join her Privy Council upon first invitation.

That includes:
Iain Duncan Smith, then newly-elected leader of his party now work and pensions secretary (19 September 2001)
Michael Fallon, former minister for business and enterprise now defence secretary, and justice minister Damien Green (10 September 2002)
David Lidington, minister for Europe, who "apparently had better things to do than show up and kiss hands" (15 December 2010)
Sir John Randall, deputy chief-whip (9 June and 21 July 2010)
Chris Grayling, Grant Shapps, Nick Herbert and Theresa Villiers, ministers for work & pensions, communities, justice, and transport, respectively (9 June 2010)
Last but not least, that list also includes, David Cameron.

When the Witney MP became leader himself in 2005, he also "snubbed" the Queen by not accepting his first invitation to a Privy Council meeting.

They were probably down at the Lodge rolling up the trouser legs.

A Queen lookalike, sent by a newspaper, turns up at Jeremy Corbyn's home in north London

Missing: one 66-year-old, grey-haired man with beard. Last seen in public on Monday evening in an agitated state, wearing a brown tweed jacket and green-striped shirt.

The hunt for Jeremy Corbyn is continuing amid growing concern he has disappeared. Albeit mainly in order to avoid meeting the Queen.

lol :-)

Max,

Is that your wife, or is it Hay's?