Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Two new polls on EU referendum this week.

ICM’s figures REMAIN on 44%, LEAVE on 39%

ComRes REMAIN on 55%, LEAVE on 36%

EU referendum will end David Cameron's charade

The Tory conference was unpleasantly triumphant. In reality, the party has slipped far from its ideals. In Syria, there is chaos. In Europe, there are lies, damn lies and 'renegotiations'



Call Me and The boss



By Simon Heffer

8:10PM BST 10 Oct 2015


Driving back from Manchester, I chatted on the phone with a former Tory minister who was distressed by what he had seen at the conference. He had not been there – he had been punished enough – but like most people who noted what was going on, he had watched some of the proceedings on television. The impression he had was not edifying: triumphalism, smugness, complacency, a bit of boorishness. The moral advantage that should have been conferred on the Tories by an ignorant rabble who, in their contempt for democracy, picketed the conference (spitting upon and abusing, among others, Left-wing journalists and public sector lobbyists) appears to have been largely discounted.


"Mr Cameron’s speech, a chain of sound bites that intoxicated the naive who heard it, struck me as repulsively manipulative !


Some equally ignorant comment in the Leftist press has accused the Tories of being an “ageing” party. Not from where I was it isn’t. Manchester was full of thrusting young men (and, indeed, women) in suits clutching files of papers and charging around as though tomorrow belonged to them. They exuded the smell of power-hunger, which was not entirely pleasant. In that respect, but that alone, it reminded me of the mid-Eighties. Gone was the sense of true reforming purpose and intent. The rhetoric about transforming Britain was just that. When you lack an opposition, and are unlikely to have one for some time, you can posture, command endless fatuous standing ovations, and await the next general election with blinkered equanimity.


More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11924392/EU-referendum-will-end-David-Camerons-charade.html

Haystack


Those figs are statistical bullshit, where did they hold the poll...Brussels?

We won't leave the EU. There is not the slightest chance.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-refuses-to-comment-on-new-reports-of-close-links-to-ira-a6689681.html

I’m a Celeb , a month away from returning to TV screens. :-))

For Cynic,




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Some would be embarrassed by the above, but such a consummated licker as Cameron
is the embarrassment.


But even the above ares-licker took a few months to curtsy.

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I would expect a Cynic to be on his knees at the first opportunity.

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I would be damned if I did so.

Corbyn and Abbott

That wasn't the only thing they shared.

The lunatics are taking the asylum

It's virtually all about the city and looking after chums.

Nothing about CAP, fisheries, migration.




David Cameron's four key demands to remain in the EU revealed

David Cameron and his Cabinet allies name their price for Britain to stay part of Europe



#Forcing Brussels to make “an explicit statement” that Britain will be kept out of any move towards a European superstate. This will require an exemption for the UK from the EU’s founding principle of “ever closer union”.


#An “explicit statement” that the euro is not the official currency of the EU, making clear that Europe is a “multi-currency” union. Ministers want this declaration in order to protect the status of the pound sterling as a legitimate currency that will always exist.


#A new “red card” system to bring power back from Brussels to Britain. This would give groups of national parliaments the power to stop unwanted directives being handed down and to scrap existing EU laws.


#A new structure for the EU itself. The block of 28 nations must be reorganised to prevent the nine countries that are not in the eurozone being dominated by the 19 member states that are, with particular protections for the City of London.



The rest of the guff is here, plus there is something about secret stuff.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11924603/David-Camerons-four-key-demands-to-remain-in-the-EU-revealed.html

Manuel,

If you are sober read the following "opinion" of Will Hutton. May help you to think again.

The world economic order is collapsing and this time there seems no way out

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/11/world-order-collapse-refugees-emerging-economies-china-slowdown-recession