Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Report: No Treaty Change, No Border Control In Government’s Demands For EU


by Nick Hallett11 Oct 2015768

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/11/report-no-treaty-change-free-movement-stays-in-governments-demands-for-eu/


waste of space dave



After months of waiting, the British government has finally revealed its main demands in its attempt to renegotiate the country’s European Union (EU) membership, and eurosceptics are unlikely to be happy.

The Sunday Telegraph states that the government has four key requirements. They are:

An “explicit statement” that Britain will not be part of a European superstate.

An “explicit statement” that the currencies other than the euro are welcome in the EU, and that the euro is not its official currency.

A “red card” system that would give groups of national parliaments the right to repeal existing EU law.

A “new structure” for the EU to prevent the nine non-eurozone members from being dominated by the others.

Tory and Foreign Office officials believe this list is the best deal they can likely achieve, however many will be disappointed.

There is no mention, for example, of curbing EU free movement rules at a time when immigration is a major concern for voters. There are not even any legally binding treaty changes, something many eurosceptics believe essential to deliver any meaningful, lasting reform.

Although Britain is not part of the Schengen area, where border checks are completely eliminated, citizens of other EU states have a right to travel to and work in the UK without visa restrictions. This has led to a massive rise in immigration from poorer, Eastern European states.

The weak demands will likely boost the “leave” campaign, who can now say that Britain will never be able to negotiate true reform while it remains in the EU.

Former Conservative cabinet minister Owen Paterson also took to the airwaves to criticise the four requirements, accusing the government of not going far enough and saying most of what they want will happen anyway:

He told Sky News this morning: “The EU is leaving us, they are going to move towards an integrated country… where you shift money around from the parts that can make money to the parts that sadly can’t. We are going to be left outside with something called associate status.

“That is being rebranded [by these demands] as some exciting new position but it’s absolute rubbish, it’s not. It’s rather worse than where we are at the moment.

“What I want to have is a complete new relationship with our European neighbours based on trade and friendly cooperation but above all making our own laws in our own parliament, and that sadly does not appear to be what our negotiators on behalf of the UK are looking for.”

Downing Street is now backtracking but not denying the story outright. A spokesman said the Sunday Telegraph story is “based on speculation” and there will be discussions on benefit reform. There was still no mention of treaty change or free movement, however.

Manuel.

I think out of choice I would prefer to be a communist than accept the fascist and neo-con morality of the present tory party. Especially, with the direction in which the “to-days” tory party mobster are presently attempting to travel. Of course, trying and relying on taking the little Englanders and its sycophantic camp followers with it and paid for by donors from outside its own boundaries.

Mind, if the price seems right under a good “modern” capitalism grab it, which appears to be advocated by you and the most inept camp followers. (Try looking at the last economic crash and watching the repeat and compare.)

What Will Hutton is advocating, is a review and moderation of economic policies, which are being blindly followed for by a political “gang” which is more intent on maintaining power, than the long-term good of a country and its contents.

Increasing the “wealth” of all in society, generally would increase the wealth and health of a society as a whole.

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Again, I would prefer not to deny my own and family history (good and bad), but hope I have continued to learn from it.

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But, what is is like to be thought of as a neo-fascist?

Summing up!

I have a dream that one day...

You can skip the good , just old will do

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump is drawing a line in the sand.
During a Sunday appearance on CBS's Face The Nation, Trump criticized Germany's commitment to take in some 800,000 refugees and migrants this year, including many displaced from the ongoing civil war in Syria.
"I love a safe zone for people," Trump said. "I do not like the migration. I do not like the people coming. Frankly, look, Europe's going to have to handle it. But they're going to have riots in Germany. What's happening in Germany, I always thought Merkel was, like, this great leader. What she's done in Germany is insane. It's insane."

I don't care for Trump but he's got that right .

absolutely so; not now and perhaps not for another 5 or 10 years, but there is already a strong undercurrent of resentment against gastarbeite, and they are effectively just temporary residents

not entirely unrelated ......
are you girls and boys happy to support non-specific charities such as Help the Children or Band Aid or Help a London Child?

It.

Be careful, Fred lived to 102.

Thank goodness I am still a youngster compared with my siblings!

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Manuel,

If so, then with your ancestors you should be careful.

The disease like viruses may have a slight mutation and spread to other members of the species.

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But what are the odds on your historic icon Wacky Dave leading Britain out of the EU and being known as the man who attempted to break up Europe.

I would think he thought of the policy to hold on to "power" under a Bullingdon Cloud.

No wonder the EU will be happy to see the back of him.

What a legacy to leave.

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i have no idea what you're talking about
does it have any link at all to 63790 above?
if not, would be interested to know your views on same

Manuel.

I think it is time for you to keep a daily diary of what you do and write.

But, go and have a rest, but remember it is probably you time for you to have your bowels open first, as they appear a bit full at the moment.

DYOH!

"i have no idea what you're talking about" Should read "I have no ideas" -):

here's a first surely ....... fred fails to answer a very simple question

Twit.

Reread, your post!

a definite twit - aka senior moment :-)

now try a response to 16789!

not now and perhaps not for another 5 or 10 years, but there is already a strong undercurrent of resentment against gastarbeite, and they are effectively just temporary residents

Similar was said during the 1920s and 1930s and earlier periods by different groups.

Some did not heed the warnings because of the short-term said benefits or advantages they might get!!!!!!

now you've had that little rant, is it too much for your very old brain to determine a view on 16789

Don't know sufficient about them to comment?

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stop being obtuse!
as you well know, those are just random examples though well known charities
i am not asking whether or not you DO but whether or not you would even consider donating to such non-target-specific charities

personally, i will not