Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

And the cost of 2000 direct jobs, plus any number of support jobs will be?

What are the people of Redcar and surrounds to do for a crust?


As for when the market picks up....well, what about it? The plant wont exist...too late.

Short sighted...very!

The market has spoken. No one wants the plant. Presumably a buyer could have had it for peanuts and now probably free. Even then no one wants it. If no business can see a future in it then the government should scrap it.

The market talks the next five minutes, unless it has cast iron guarantees.

There is too much casino in the UK, not enough long term planning.


Think the latest nuclear power stations. Why do we need to go anywhere outside our own country? It still has the brains to design and build nuclear power stations, it was one of the first to do so.

Why the need for foreign investment when we can do it for ourselves?

What is the city of London for, Chinese investment?

steel
worldwide there is an over-supply of ore and steel facility, and there is no obvious sign of a recovery even within the next 12 months

so do you subsidise redcar and keep churning out yet more steel that no one wants to buy?

how long did it take corby to recover?
depending on where you set the start date (the nadir), then perhaps 10 years as the town was declared an enterprise zone ...... i don't know if such things exist any more

Max,

You are talking like a left-wing socialist!

Shut-up!


Tory neo-con economics are perfect.

MaxK
You say:

Think the latest nuclear power stations. Why do we need to go anywhere outside our own country? It still has the brains to design and build nuclear power stations, it was one of the first to do so.

Why the need for foreign investment when we can do it for ourselves?

What is the city of London for, Chinese investment?


You make some good points there, IMHO. Perhaps we'll get some kind of a trade off but I can't think what? Perhaps, it will be just be massive amounts of Chinese money being invested over here?

Look for the pockets!

there is always a quid pro quo in such deals

What exactly is that brown thing under the pan?

Or shouldn't I ask?

Max,

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The market has spoken. No one wants the plant. Presumably a buyer could have had it for peanuts and now probably free. Even then no one wants it. If no business can see a future in it then the government should scrap it. "

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The results of tory economics for 6 years of misdirection.

Austerity is King and rules.

They should have foreseen problems of the route they have been taking and planned for it.

(I am not saying that Market Forces do not apply, but are the Chinese going to buy up all the scrap. Market and economic forces can be regulated, controlled and modified.)

As you wrote "What is the city for?".

If the UK leaves the EU under Cameron the first to move out into the remaining EU will be the "City".


Do you fancy being a subject of Chinese or Russian financiers using the UK as a colony?

Hairy one,

Why do you ask?

Have you lost something?

Ron Chesney 89 years of age was stopped by the police around 2 a.m. and was
asked where he was going at that time of night .
Ron replied, "I'm on my way to a lecture about alcohol abuse and the effects
it has on the human body, as well as smoking and staying out late."

The officer asked, "Really? Who's giving that lecture at this time of night?"

Ron replied, "That would be my wife."

Interesting to watch the tory party's future leader.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/video/watch-boris-johnson-rugby-tackle-a-japanese-schoolboy-because-why-not/


Picking on somebody his own size.

Hils

The mind boggles. But, for urban dwellers everywhere, I would suppose this does have something to do with the origins of the expression, "I am fairly sure I got rat-arsed last night."

Cute G-Mail Trick (mostly used for getting multiple vouchers):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/money-saving-tips/11928711/The-Gmail-trick-that-gives-you-unlimited-one-per-person-vouchers.html

I am sure that the government is on the right track:

Tata Steel 'set to cut 1,200 jobs'
17 minutes ago
From the section Business
Scunthorpe steel plantImage copyrightPA
Tata Steel is to announce 1,200 UK job cuts next week.
The firm is expected to significantly reduce the workforce at its Scunthorpe steel plant, which employs 3,000 people and is one of the UK's biggest.
Tata may also cut jobs in Scotland, at Clydebridge in Cambuslang and Dalzell in Motherwell.

The company declined to confirm the job cuts, but said it had been facing challenges in the UK such as a surge in steel imports, and the strong pound.

A spokesman said: "We've made a number of structural changes to our UK business over the last months and years to make us more competitive. Like all companies we continue to review the performance of our business."

Roy Rickhuss, general secretary of the Community union, said it would seek talks with Tata Steel to discuss ways that jobs could be saved.



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Congratulations to Osborne and Cameron.

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Quick sell it to the Chinese.

It will look good on the books.

Even Jeremy Corbyn can't save Labour in Scotland

The SNP is still riding high in the polls, despite Labour electing an "anti-austerity" leader, suggesting the party needs a much broader message





By Asa Bennett

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Jeremy Corbyn's election as Labour leader was meant to revive his party's fortunes in Scotland. His supporters often argued that would offer a "clear anti-austerity platform". This is meant to be a tonic for Scottish voters, after Labour lost 40 seats in Scotland to the SNP in May, after a general election campaign which saw Nicola Sturgeon mercilessly paint Ed Miliband's Labour as "Tory-lite".




However, despite Mr Corbyn launching a Caledonian love-bombing campaign by pledging to spend at least one day a month north of the border, Scots don't seem to be feeling the Corbynmania.


Jeremy Corbyn's election as Labour leader has failed to dent the SNP's popularity, according to YouGov, with over half (51 per cent) of Scottish voters still intending to back Nicola Sturgeon's party.


Labour, by contrast, has slipped down a percentage point in the polls, while the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have risen by a point each. Such slips may be well within the margin of error, but given that a new leader normally enjoys a "honeymoon" bounce in support, Mr Corbyn's election has failed to make its mark.

The new Labour leader is hoping to puncture the SNP's popularity by trying to undermine their "anti-austerity" reputation. In his first appearance on the Andrew Marr show, he insisted that “anti-austerity” was only a “headline” for the SNP. "Yes they [the SNP] have an anti-austerity badge, but where is the economic strategy behind it which doesn’t either continue the austerity that is happening now?" he scoffed.



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Labour, by contrast, has slipped down a percentage point in the polls, while the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have risen by a point each. Such slips may be well within the margin of error, but given that a new leader normally enjoys a "honeymoon" bounce in support, Mr Corbyn's election has failed to make its mark.

The new Labour leader is hoping to puncture the SNP's popularity by trying to undermine their "anti-austerity" reputation. In his first appearance on the Andrew Marr show, he insisted that “anti-austerity” was only a “headline” for the SNP. "Yes they [the SNP] have an anti-austerity badge, but where is the economic strategy behind it which doesn’t either continue the austerity that is happening now?" he scoffed.



After the SNP inflicted its "Ajockalypse" on Labour by riding a wave of anger against the "red Tories" at Westminster, Mr Corbyn may be hoping to woo Scots with his anti-austerity rhetoric. However, YouGov's polling suggests they are even more sceptical about him than they are in England.

When asked if Mr Corbyn's election would make them more or less likely to vote Labour, 50 per cent of Scots said they "wouldn't have" in an case. By contrast, only 37 per cent of English voters said they would rule out voting Labour.



The loyalist vote seems smaller in Scotland too, as a smaller proportion (11 per cent) said they "would have" voted Labour regardless of Mr Corbyn's election than voters based in England (16 per cent).

Labour's confusion this week over George Osborne's fiscal charter awkwardly undermined Jeremy Corbyn's efforts to offer an alternative to austerity, after his Shadow Chancellor threw his party behind it two weeks ago - and then abruptly U-turned.

The SNP mocked Mr Corbyn for his party's last-minute opposition, with Stewart Hosie saying: "While we welcome every vote against austerity, it will count for nothing if Mr Corbyn cannot take his MPs with him."

Jeremy Corbyn cast his party as "the progressive voice for Scotland" in his conference address last month, but his credentials as an anti-austerity warrior aren't proving to be enough to dent the SNP's popularity. Despite his promises to fight the cuts, the latest polls still show the SNP is Scotland's party of choice.

If Mr Corbyn wants Scots to take notice of his message, he'll have to offer them more than promises to hate "Tory cuts" more than the SNP do.

if the scots had another referendum today, it's a racing certainty they wouldn't jump over a cliff in their eagerness

even the scots aren't so dimwitted that they haven't noticed the collapse of oil and the appalling effect that that has had in aberdeen alone, yet oil is about the only true asset that scotland has - or should i say had

and sturgeon would get rid of trident as well would she?
so what will all those skilled workers do then?
and what about the ancillary trades and shops and everything which will be decimated without the workers income?

great idea this anti-austerity, but who would pay for it?