Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Stan
- 28 Nov 2012 08:51
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"In 1896, Theodor Herzl, a Jewish journalist living in Austria-Hungary, published Der Judenstaat ("The Jewish State"), in which he asserted that the only solution to the "Jewish Question" in Europe, including growing antisemitism, was through the establishment of a Jewish State. Political Zionism had just been born.[3] A year later, Herzl founded the Zionist Organization (ZO), which at its first congress, "called for the establishment of a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law".
Referring back, If the above is accepted then it appears that the Zionist Org's call's were given by Balfour. That then begs the question, was that proposition put to the entire population of Palestine at that time and put to a democratic vote before putting it back to the ZO?
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 10:05
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If you really want to read then background to Balfour then follow the link below. It is a good historical account, but VERY long. It is written by an academic and does not seem obviously to have taken one side or other.
I like this quote
"one nation solemnly promised to a second nation the country of a third." More than that, the country was still part of the Empire of a fourth, namely Turkey."
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 10:22
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Spain will now vote for Palestine and Austria is looking likely as well.
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 10:31
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This is step forward. It will make it easier to avoid goods from the illegal settlements.
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=293729
Israel registered a protest with the EU last week regarding a conference scheduled for Wednesday in Brussels about the possibility of labeling goods made in the settlements.
Rafi Schutz, the Foreign Ministry’s deputy director-general for Europe, called the ambassadors of Denmark, Ireland and the EU to the ministry on November 19, in the midst of Operation Pillar of Defense, to protest the scheduled meeting, called an “informal technical workshop on settlement products and related policy issues.”
Denmark started the ball rolling on labeling goods in Europe that came from the settlements, following a decision in principle to do so that South Africa made earlier this year.
That decision has not yet been fully implemented; one of the issues holding it up has been how to label the goods. It was finally decided to label them “Made in Israeli Occupied Territory.”
TANKER
- 28 Nov 2012 10:33
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if they join the un does that mean the lazy gaza people will have to work for a living instead of begging
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 10:35
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LOL
Who can they beg from? There are only other Gaza people in Gaza and they cannot leave. It is difficult for prisoners to beg.
Stan
- 28 Nov 2012 10:59
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Thanks for the link H/S, I'll have a look later.
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 11:09
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TANKER
- 28 Nov 2012 11:09
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80%of palestians live on hand outs FACT
TANKER
- 28 Nov 2012 11:10
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lets see the talks on tv live for all to hear and see that is the best way to fix the problem
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 11:18
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Gaza has to live on handouts from foreign agencies because Israel stops Gaza from exporting anything. That means Gaza cannot earn anthing. Gaza not lazy hut Israel are tyrants.
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 12:26
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SPAIN, NORWAY, FRANCE, AUSTRIA, DENMARK and SWITZERLAND: All announced Wednesday they would vote yes to Palestinian motion. The Swiss government called a change in status "both constructive and pragmatic."
China, India, most of South America and Africa will vote yes and probably Russia.
Very few will vote no. There are some who will abstain but that number is getting smaller by the hour.
Hopefully the vote will be tomorrow.
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 12:29
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William Hague soon to announce UK's position on the vote in parliament after PMQs They won't vote yes. The most that can be hoped for would be an abstain.
Stan
- 28 Nov 2012 12:58
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Abstain? You must be joking H/S, What is the point of our Government "effectively" doing nothing by abstaining? Time wasting at our expense more like it.
Fred1new
- 28 Nov 2012 13:03
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Tinker,
Before shooting yourself in the foot again and again, suggest, if you can, to read
Mark Thomas: "Walking the Wall"
In the sometimes humorous book he points out the human costs and abuses by the Israelis administration and their "protective" wall.
It also describes living and working conditions for many of the Palestinians.
It may alter your ill-informed opinions.
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 13:25
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There is a debate going on now on the parliament channnel. Hague has announced the UK's intention to abstain.
At least he said that he condemned the illegal building of settlements. He is taking quite a beating from Labour and many from his own party.
Stan
- 28 Nov 2012 13:31
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No ones interested in what he says it's what he does that counts, talk is cheap.
Fred1new
- 28 Nov 2012 16:17
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Stan,
Because of the antics of the tory right-winged Euro-septics, the UK's opinion counts for less and less in Europe and the World in general.
As the many UKIP, BNP, Tory right wingers and other birds of a feather consider themselves outside Europe, it will be seen to count for less and less.
Haystack
- 28 Nov 2012 16:23
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That is clearly not the case as most of the EU countries are desperate to keep the UK in Europe. The UK's position on the EU budget is now proving quite popular with more countries adopting a similar line. There are an increasing number of countries becoming eurosceptic. I think the Conservatives have it about right.
cynic
- 28 Nov 2012 17:04
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shame the buggers didn't show their support before!
meanwhile, all the french banks are being stripped of their money as those with any, move it and themselves out of the country - damn fool gov't they now have
and the dutch aren't very happy either as they are going to get clobbered with higher taxes too