goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
Chris Carson
- 16 Oct 2015 18:42
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EVERY CLOUD! :0)
Scots MPs ‘could not be PM again’ under Eve
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DAVID MADDOX
published 00:38 Wednesday 14 October 2015
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A Scottish MP could not be Prime Minister or Speaker again with Tory plans for English votes for English laws (Evel), Labour’s shadow Commons leader Chris Bryant has warned.
Giving evidence to the Scottish Affairs Committee, Mr Bryant warned the UK Government’s plans to impose Evel will “undermine” the Union and claimed the Speaker would need to “quadruple” the legal advice to decide if Bills are English only.
Asked if it would prevent Scots MPs taking senior positions in the House, he said: “There is a real danger that there would never be another Scottish Speaker again or Welsh one.” When SNP committee chairman Pete Wishart said that it would prevent Scots or Welsh become Prime Minister again, Mr Bryant said: “You make a very strong argument.”
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Sadly I think we have seen the last of influential and powerful Scots. The days of Brown, Keir Hardie, Alistair Darling, Douglas Hume, Balfour, Charles Kennedy, Tam Dalyell etc are over. No more Scots PMs, Defence Secretaries, Home Secretaries, Chancellors of the Exchequer. The highest position a Scot can expect to hold now is First Minister in a nation of five million people.
But this is the tragic, narrow, limited, low aspiration, small minded future we have chosen for ourselves. Back to the world's margin.
So, Nic Sturgeon wee Al Salmond and the likes of Mhrairi Black and co won't ever make it to number ten, thank god!
But a Scottish individual standing for an English constituency could be PM.
After Messers Blair and Brown is anyone surprised?
Chris Carson
- 16 Oct 2015 19:00
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Better Together to blame for Labour woes - Corbyn
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published 00:12 Thursday 01 October 2015
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New Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has blamed the Better Together campaign for his party’s woes in Scotland.
His comments come ahead of his first visit north of the Border as party leader today for a Labour gala dinner in Glasgow where he will pledge that Scottish leader Kez Dugdale will be the boss on Scottish matters.
“ Too many people think Labour has lost its way
Jeremy Corbyn
Mr Corbyn’s visit coincides with a hardening of Labour’s position on constitutional matters as shadow Scottish Secretary Ian Murray has told The Scotsman that he can think of “no conceivable circumstances” it would agree to support a
second independence referendum.
He added that the constitution “is last year’s debate, we need to concentrate on public services and what parties will do with the new powers now”.
In an interview at the end of the party conference in Brighton, Mr Corbyn was asked what went wrong for Labour in Scotland. He said: “I think what went wrong was the Better Together campaign.”
Labour had worked with the Tories in the successful pro-UK campaign, alienating some of its supporters north of the Border.
Mr Corbyn also said “what went wrong was UK-wide failure to oppose the principles behind austerity in the last two general elections”.
In his speech tonight he will promise to end the party culture which former Scottish leader Johann Lamont complained made Scottish Labour “a branch office” for the UK party.
Mr Corbyn will say: “Under my leadership there will be no question about who is in charge of the Scottish Labour Party. Kezia Dugdale is leader of our party in Scotland and I will be working alongside her to win back support for Labour.
“Kez has said that she wants to make absolutely clear what the Labour Party stands for and who we stand with. That is also my mission across the UK. Too many people have told me that they think Labour lost its way.
“We need to win back their trust by showing them exactly what difference a Labour Government would make to their lives.”
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That's because the Better Together campaign was led by the Tories and they used their Labour puppets effectively.
Westminster will be Tory led for at least 15 years. And no doubt Scotland will continue to reject them at the polls.
"Too many people think Labour has lost its way". No! Too many people know that Labour has lost its way.
Just as a postscript to this thread and to JC's attempts to change the Labour Party we in Scotland had this same conversation throughout the referendum campaign except the Labour Party was then standing full square with the Tories. The move towards Independence had nothing to do with anti English sentiment as the Tories tried to imply it was about common decency and a compassionate society. JC is right to come North he will always be welcome here but his party has no resonance any longer.
Fred1new
- 17 Oct 2015 09:00
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Haystack
- 17 Oct 2015 15:25
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Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone says Sepp Blatter should remain in charge of Fifa despite facing corruption charges.
Blatter, who is suspended, is under criminal investigation over a payment made to Uefa boss Michel Platini in 2011. Both men deny any wrongdoing.
Ecclestone said: "I don't think he should have ever stepped down. I don't think he should have been challenged.
"If people allegedly have been corrupted to make things happen in their country, it's good."
Fred1new
- 17 Oct 2015 15:34
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Sounds as if Ecclestone has been advising Cameron and the tory party leadership.
dreamcatcher
- 17 Oct 2015 16:23
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MaxK
- 17 Oct 2015 21:36
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MaxK
- 17 Oct 2015 23:42
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Fred1new
- 18 Oct 2015 09:19
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cynic
- 18 Oct 2015 09:58
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ranting woman on QT
i watched neither the programme nor any follow-ups, but i do wonder whether or not she was a plant
whatever .....
the interesting fact is that it would seem that she will not be hit at all by the proposed cuts, so it was a totally unwarranted rant
however, after 2017, a family earning just £20,000 a year and deciding to have 4 children after that date, will receive £2,000 a year less in benefits, which sounds a bit harsh
is that fair?
on balance, i think it is, as there is no compulsion to have any children, let alone 4 of them, so is there good reason why the taxpayer should subsidise such a family should it choose to do so?
MaxK
- 18 Oct 2015 10:34
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These days, having kids is a lifestyle choice, it doesent happen by accident.
imo, there is too much emphasis placed on "rights" and not enough placed on duty/obligation.
Haystack
- 18 Oct 2015 11:24
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The problem with tax credits is that it is device for keeping low pay. Brown brought in tax credits as a sweetener for Blair to win an election.
It enables employers to pay low wages and the employee gets topped up by the government. If we are to change this then the wages have to rise.
The only solution seems to be to gradually decrease tax credits. The government has given tax breaks to businesses to enable higher pay.
The whole process is going to be difficult but there seems to be little alternative.
Haystack
- 18 Oct 2015 11:36
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ComRes’s monthly poll for the Independent on Sunday is out today and has topline figures of
CON 42%(nc), LAB 29%(-1), LDEM 7%(nc), UKIP 13%(nc), GRN 3%(nc).
cynic
- 18 Oct 2015 11:37
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a daft question i'm sure
if you are unemployed, surely tax credits are no use to you at all
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hays - your observation is correct, but if the low(est) paid are not subsidised in some way, then surely prices across the board must go up - eg food in supermarkets
that being so, (fred would no doubt say) that it legislates against the poorest
of course tax credits and like are no more than a hidden tax, and yes, people should be paid a "proper wage" though subsidising the poorest segments should and will always continue
Haystack
- 18 Oct 2015 13:06
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Food and some products are too cheap. Food in particular will rise in price. Thr supermarkets are keeping pressure on farmers and producers so that they can have cheap retail peices. It is working tax credits that are the problem. By raising the minimum wage and enforcorcing it wages will rise.
cynic
- 18 Oct 2015 13:21
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food isn't too cheap if you're on the breadline
i'ld like to know how much all the (unnecessary) wastage and stupid packaging adds to the ultimate price
Fred1new
- 18 Oct 2015 13:22
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“The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.”
Mahatma Gandhi
cynic
- 18 Oct 2015 13:30
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following in the footsteps of china a couple of decades back, north korea proves the validity of that little homily
Fred1new
- 19 Oct 2015 08:48
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Welcome to the Uk.
We didn't know you were our new overseas donators to party coffers.
MaxK
- 19 Oct 2015 08:51
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