Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Better Together to blame for Labour woes - Corbyn

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New Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has blamed the Better Together campaign for his party’s woes in Scotland.

His comments come ahead of his first visit north of the Border as party leader today for a Labour gala dinner in Glasgow where he will pledge that Scottish leader Kez Dugdale will be the boss on Scottish matters.

“ Too many people think Labour has lost its way
Jeremy Corbyn

Mr Corbyn’s visit coincides with a hardening of Labour’s position on constitutional matters as shadow Scottish Secretary Ian Murray has told The Scotsman that he can think of “no conceivable circumstances” it would agree to support a 
second independence referendum.





He added that the constitution “is last year’s debate, we need to concentrate on public services and what parties will do with the new powers now”.



In an interview at the end of the party conference in Brighton, Mr Corbyn was asked what went wrong for Labour in Scotland. He said: “I think what went wrong was the Better Together campaign.”

Labour had worked with the Tories in the successful pro-UK campaign, alienating some of its supporters north of the Border.

Mr Corbyn also said “what went wrong was UK-wide failure to oppose the principles behind austerity in the last two general elections”.

In his speech tonight he will promise to end the party culture which former Scottish leader Johann Lamont complained made Scottish Labour “a branch office” for the UK party.

Mr Corbyn will say: “Under my leadership there will be no question about who is in charge of the Scottish Labour Party. Kezia Dugdale is leader of our party in Scotland and I will be working alongside her to win back support for Labour.

“Kez has said that she wants to make absolutely clear what the Labour Party stands for and who we stand with. That is also my mission across the UK. Too many people have told me that they think Labour lost its way.

“We need to win back their trust by showing them exactly what difference a Labour Government would make to their lives.”


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That's because the Better Together campaign was led by the Tories and they used their Labour puppets effectively.

Westminster will be Tory led for at least 15 years. And no doubt Scotland will continue to reject them at the polls.

"Too many people think Labour has lost its way". No! Too many people know that Labour has lost its way.

Just as a postscript to this thread and to JC's attempts to change the Labour Party we in Scotland had this same conversation throughout the referendum campaign except the Labour Party was then standing full square with the Tories. The move towards Independence had nothing to do with anti English sentiment as the Tories tried to imply it was about common decency and a compassionate society. JC is right to come North he will always be welcome here but his party has no resonance any longer.

Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone says Sepp Blatter should remain in charge of Fifa despite facing corruption charges.

Blatter, who is suspended, is under criminal investigation over a payment made to Uefa boss Michel Platini in 2011. Both men deny any wrongdoing.

Ecclestone said: "I don't think he should have ever stepped down. I don't think he should have been challenged.

"If people allegedly have been corrupted to make things happen in their country, it's good."

Sounds as if Ecclestone has been advising Cameron and the tory party leadership.

As they say, theres no fool like an old fool.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11938289/50-shades-of-grey-gp-cleared-of-assault-tycoon-spanking-session.html

ranting woman on QT
i watched neither the programme nor any follow-ups, but i do wonder whether or not she was a plant
whatever .....
the interesting fact is that it would seem that she will not be hit at all by the proposed cuts, so it was a totally unwarranted rant

however, after 2017, a family earning just £20,000 a year and deciding to have 4 children after that date, will receive £2,000 a year less in benefits, which sounds a bit harsh
is that fair?
on balance, i think it is, as there is no compulsion to have any children, let alone 4 of them, so is there good reason why the taxpayer should subsidise such a family should it choose to do so?

These days, having kids is a lifestyle choice, it doesent happen by accident.

imo, there is too much emphasis placed on "rights" and not enough placed on duty/obligation.

The problem with tax credits is that it is device for keeping low pay. Brown brought in tax credits as a sweetener for Blair to win an election.
It enables employers to pay low wages and the employee gets topped up by the government. If we are to change this then the wages have to rise.
The only solution seems to be to gradually decrease tax credits. The government has given tax breaks to businesses to enable higher pay.
The whole process is going to be difficult but there seems to be little alternative.

ComRes’s monthly poll for the Independent on Sunday is out today and has topline figures of

CON 42%(nc), LAB 29%(-1), LDEM 7%(nc), UKIP 13%(nc), GRN 3%(nc).

a daft question i'm sure
if you are unemployed, surely tax credits are no use to you at all

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hays - your observation is correct, but if the low(est) paid are not subsidised in some way, then surely prices across the board must go up - eg food in supermarkets
that being so, (fred would no doubt say) that it legislates against the poorest

of course tax credits and like are no more than a hidden tax, and yes, people should be paid a "proper wage" though subsidising the poorest segments should and will always continue

Food and some products are too cheap. Food in particular will rise in price. Thr supermarkets are keeping pressure on farmers and producers so that they can have cheap retail peices. It is working tax credits that are the problem. By raising the minimum wage and enforcorcing it wages will rise.

food isn't too cheap if you're on the breadline
i'ld like to know how much all the (unnecessary) wastage and stupid packaging adds to the ultimate price

“The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.”

Mahatma Gandhi

following in the footsteps of china a couple of decades back, north korea proves the validity of that little homily

Welcome to the Uk.

We didn't know you were our new overseas donators to party coffers.

A message from germany

A Female Physician in Munich, Germany sends a message to the world . . . . . .

Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of TV cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.

Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double the salary than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meets young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature cannot handle this, there in Czechia it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has no idea what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a question of time.

In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he’d go straight to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking forward to more trains and their next batch of cash from acting like greeters at the stations. If it were up to me I would round up all these greeters and bring them here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one building with the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here in Bavaria, and without medical help.

Is this situation coming to England?

NOT IF WE CAN HELP IT!