Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

a daft question i'm sure
if you are unemployed, surely tax credits are no use to you at all

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hays - your observation is correct, but if the low(est) paid are not subsidised in some way, then surely prices across the board must go up - eg food in supermarkets
that being so, (fred would no doubt say) that it legislates against the poorest

of course tax credits and like are no more than a hidden tax, and yes, people should be paid a "proper wage" though subsidising the poorest segments should and will always continue

Food and some products are too cheap. Food in particular will rise in price. Thr supermarkets are keeping pressure on farmers and producers so that they can have cheap retail peices. It is working tax credits that are the problem. By raising the minimum wage and enforcorcing it wages will rise.

food isn't too cheap if you're on the breadline
i'ld like to know how much all the (unnecessary) wastage and stupid packaging adds to the ultimate price

“The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.”

Mahatma Gandhi

following in the footsteps of china a couple of decades back, north korea proves the validity of that little homily

Welcome to the Uk.

We didn't know you were our new overseas donators to party coffers.

A message from germany

A Female Physician in Munich, Germany sends a message to the world . . . . . .

Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of TV cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.

Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double the salary than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meets young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature cannot handle this, there in Czechia it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has no idea what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a question of time.

In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he’d go straight to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking forward to more trains and their next batch of cash from acting like greeters at the stations. If it were up to me I would round up all these greeters and bring them here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one building with the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here in Bavaria, and without medical help.

Is this situation coming to England?

NOT IF WE CAN HELP IT!

Interestingly, Jimbo, the only websites running that *story* seem to be right-wing extremist organisations such as the BNP.

One such website running the story have this spiel on their homepage:

THIS WEBSITE IS TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION ON THE EUROPEAN FRANKENSTEIN UNION. If you find it of interest and worthy of wider readership please forward it on to all your contacts.

By a Frankenstein Union I mean it is disparate countries stitched together with an evil brain

Not that the webmaster's a paranoid europhobe or anything. :o)

hilary ,,I found it on yahoo ,,a news article about a woman cleaner abused by migrants as she was cleaning toilets at a camp ,this was one of the replies ..

It does make me wonder why is a cleaner going in there ,why don't the migrants keep their own camp clean ?

Given the lack of provenance, it makes me wonder whether the story has any truth behind it whatsoever, Jimbo. Or maybe it's just a piece of malicious fiction, stitched together by a disparate racist with an evil brain.

They are all doctors, nurses and engineers...that sort of work would be beneath them.

Really?

What about this bit:

"we, women, are refusing to go among those animals"

When was the last time you heard a doctor refer to a sick patient as an animal?

But hey, I'm sure it'll be in the Daily Mail tomorrow. Then it'll definitely be true.

It's in the papers, but muted


https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trouble+in+germany+with+refugees&tbm=nws



For sure, they are trying to keep a lid on the stories.

Nobody is denying that there is resentment in Germany towards the immigrants. But what has that got to do with the malicious piece of racially motivated tripe that Jimbo posted?

How can you say that?

You don't know!

Call it feminine intuition!

The best way to fake a story is to include partial truths. Many migrants do have TB, but that is mainly those from Africa and some eastern European countries. The bit about 'exotic diseases that we in Europe do not know how to treat' is plainly absurd.

it is not only resentment in germany that you need to worry about, for i am afraid these hardening attitudes are gaining ever greater traction across europe

for all that, it's fine welcoming 000s of refugees into your country, and with luck finding them some sort of accommodation
however, that is just the tip of the iceberg, as in a very short time there will be much greater strains, such as benefits, schooling, hospitals etc ...... and don't forget that extended families will also no doubt have to be admitted in due course