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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

MaxK - 19 Oct 2015 10:42 - 63906 of 81564

They are all doctors, nurses and engineers...that sort of work would be beneath them.

hilary - 19 Oct 2015 10:47 - 63907 of 81564

Really?

What about this bit:

"we, women, are refusing to go among those animals"

When was the last time you heard a doctor refer to a sick patient as an animal?

hilary - 19 Oct 2015 10:49 - 63908 of 81564

But hey, I'm sure it'll be in the Daily Mail tomorrow. Then it'll definitely be true.

MaxK - 19 Oct 2015 10:55 - 63909 of 81564

It's in the papers, but muted


https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trouble+in+germany+with+refugees&tbm=nws



For sure, they are trying to keep a lid on the stories.

hilary - 19 Oct 2015 10:59 - 63910 of 81564

Nobody is denying that there is resentment in Germany towards the immigrants. But what has that got to do with the malicious piece of racially motivated tripe that Jimbo posted?

MaxK - 19 Oct 2015 11:03 - 63911 of 81564

How can you say that?

You don't know!

hilary - 19 Oct 2015 11:06 - 63912 of 81564

Call it feminine intuition!

Haystack - 19 Oct 2015 11:06 - 63913 of 81564

The best way to fake a story is to include partial truths. Many migrants do have TB, but that is mainly those from Africa and some eastern European countries. The bit about 'exotic diseases that we in Europe do not know how to treat' is plainly absurd.

cynic - 19 Oct 2015 11:11 - 63914 of 81564

it is not only resentment in germany that you need to worry about, for i am afraid these hardening attitudes are gaining ever greater traction across europe

for all that, it's fine welcoming 000s of refugees into your country, and with luck finding them some sort of accommodation
however, that is just the tip of the iceberg, as in a very short time there will be much greater strains, such as benefits, schooling, hospitals etc ...... and don't forget that extended families will also no doubt have to be admitted in due course

ExecLine - 19 Oct 2015 11:40 - 63915 of 81564

A new neat and clean way to change car oil is coming soon. Aston Martin are taking it on board.

ExecLine - 19 Oct 2015 11:54 - 63916 of 81564

If you are paid by an annual salary and your contract has 'stipulated hours of work' then you might well be in for a pleasant surprise (or maybe the sack instead):

From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11939563/Britains-own-legal-system-should-trump-the-one-sitting-in-Brussels.html


Britain’s own legal system should trump the one sitting in Brussels

No union campaigned for paid travel time to work. But thanks to an EU law, we are now stuck with it

By Boris Johnson
8:30PM BST 18 Oct 2015

Comments (521 thus far, as I type)

It’s the democracy – or the absence of democracy. That’s what drives me nuts; that’s the hole in the heart of the European project. I mean, take this latest pronouncement from the European Court of Justice, the one about plumbers and other employees who tend to drive from job to job. The justices have just made a landmark decision that driving – or sitting on a train and doing sudoku – constitutes working.

These workers should not only be paid for their time doing the job, say the judges from their brown felt hall in Luxembourg; they should be paid for time spent in travel, from the minute they wipe the cereal from their lips and give their spouses a kiss, to the second they push the doorbell of their customer. It doesn’t matter whether they are stuck in traffic or sitting in a greasy spoon or whether they are parked in a layby reading a copy of Knave magazine; they don’t need to hurry – they are going to get paid for their journey time, because that is what the EU has decided.

Stereotypically lazy builders taking a "short" break.As long as they're "on the way to a job", they'll get paid Photo: Alamy

And I want to stress, again, that it is not the substance of the decision that necessarily outrages me – I am all in favour of reasonable terms and conditions for hard-working people. The point is that this was not a reform that was in any way demanded by the people of this country. It was not the product of some TUC campaign. I have never once been lobbied on the question; no one has ever written to me or come to see me proposing that he or she should be paid for the time they spend commuting to work. It was a European Court of Justice decision that arose entirely from the peculiar circumstances of a group of burglar alarm installers in Spain.

"It is time to amend section 2 of the European Communities Act, so that we accept the primacy of EU law."

Their company, Tyco, closed a lot of its regional offices – with the result that the Spanish burglar alarm installers were travelling for three hours, unremunerated, to fit their machines: driving up long dusty lanes and braving yapping Dobermans to fortify the villas of expat British gangsters on the Costa del Sol. And because the Spanish authorities failed to sort it all out, the case rose irresistibly to the European Court – which has just made a ruling that affects not just a bunch of Spanish home security experts, but everyone in 28 countries, including millions of people in this country, and thousands of small firms who had absolutely no idea that this was coming down the track. Nut. Sledgehammer. Hello.

Now, as I say, my objection is really about the principle and method – but I also believe that this is the kind of ill-thought-through legal activism on the part of the EU that is contributing to the chronic lack of European competitiveness; yet another non-wage cost that is piled on companies that may not be able to afford it. Is it the kind of measure that one would recommend for a continent still mired in economic gloom, and with painfully high unemployment? No. Is it right for Britain? Well, the Institute of Directors has accused the European Court of “tormenting” UK firms.

Justice, the EU and its £415m gilded Tower of Babel The European Court has been accused of "tormenting" UK firms Photo: Geoff Pugh

So let us imagine that we in this country wanted to do something – let’s suppose we wanted to pass some law to make it clear that it did not apply to British firms of a certain size, or whatever. Could we? No chance. It is a curious feature of Britain’s relations with the EU that we have chosen repeatedly – and more emphatically than several other countries – to emphasise our legal subservience to Brussels. It is there in the 1972 European Communities Act: every emanation of the Brussels legal system shall have primacy over the law of this country – and as the EU busies itself in ever wider areas of human activity, so it acquires an ever wider field of supremacy.

And as soon as an EU regulation emerges from the machine, that regulation exercises what is called “direct effect”: it beams down across the whole area like an instant force field, because Brussels le veult. The EU ruling is immediately enforceable not just in Luxembourg, but in every court in every country in the EU. Let us imagine that you are running a small firm of plumbers (or you are a local authority paying for home carers), and you decide to chance it. You know that it will seriously hurt your bottom line to pay for your employees’ journeys to work. It will force you to cut services, or to raise prices for your customers.

You fail to comply… and, pow, you get taken to court. And the court – inevitably – will take account of the European court ruling, and you will lose, and have costs awarded against you. There is not a darned thing that you can do about it; and there is not a darned thing that your elected politicians can do about it. Westminster can only look on in impotent bafflement. Are we going to continue to take this lying down, or are we going to do something to assert the rights of our parliamentary democracy? Surely it is time to do what several other countries have done in the past few years, insisting on the primacy not of the EU, but of their own legal systems.

We need to insist on the primacy of our own legal system

The German constitutional court has said it, and so have the French, the Italians and the Danes. Britain is lagging behind, and all the while the European Court expands its prerogatives – declaring its right to decide whether prisoners should vote, or banning cheap car insurance for women. It is time to amend section 2 of the European Communities Act, so that we accept the primacy of EU law if, and only if, parliament has not expressly and subsequently decided otherwise, and passed clarifying legislation. Give the power back to MPs. They might not exercise it. On paying for journeys to work, they would look at both sides of the question. But at least the decision would be taken here.

Would it break up the single market? I doubt it very much. But it would be a check on the activism and interference of the European Court. And the beauty of it is you wouldn’t even need to change the Treaty.

ExecLine - 19 Oct 2015 11:56 - 63917 of 81564

Do you agree, that people who join the back of the queue should always be served first?

Hmmm?

No? Well, do check out: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11853867/The-last-person-in-the-queue-should-be-served-first-scientific-research-suggests.html?utm_source=apester&utm_medium=scs&utm_campaign=apester2015

Fred1new - 19 Oct 2015 14:08 - 63918 of 81564

I am glad Cameron is going to attack the poison of extremism.

I do hope he starts with some of his cabinet colleagues.

Haystack - 19 Oct 2015 14:49 - 63919 of 81564

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tom-watson-being-lined-up-by-unions-to-replace-jeremy-corbyn-a3093606.html

Tom Watson 'being lined up by unions to replace Jeremy Corbyn'

Labour bruiser Tom Watson is being lined up by the unions to replace Jeremy Corbyn before the general election, according to senior MPs.

The party’s deputy leader was spotted in a London pub with Unite boss Len McCluskey last week, a day after an explosive row erupted over policy at a meeting of Labour backbenchers.

The pair sat at a table on Tuesday night in The Ship in Kennington with a red-haired woman, believed to be Karie Murphy – a friend of the union leader who worked as Mr Watson’s office manager at the Commons.

“They were deep in conversation and are obviously close and long-standing friends,” said an observer. “The timing of it was interesting.”

The previous night Mr Corbyn’s authority was damaged when shadow chancellor John McDonnell performed a U-turn on a key borrowing vote.

ExecLine - 19 Oct 2015 14:50 - 63920 of 81564

I'm not one for trusting squatters but I do hope this works out for Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs:

Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs say hotel squatters are welcome to stay for the winter



The building is in central Manchester and in the background one can see the outer perimeter wall of the Arndale Shopping Centre.

jimmy b - 19 Oct 2015 16:03 - 63921 of 81564

I think i'll wait until it's finished ,then go and squat in a room .

Fred1new - 19 Oct 2015 16:13 - 63922 of 81564

They wouldn't have you!

jimmy b - 19 Oct 2015 16:19 - 63923 of 81564

I'll make you laugh Fred , last Wednesday i met John Mcdonnell and Seb Corbyn ,(Jeremy's son) how about that for a Tory voter !!

Fred1new - 19 Oct 2015 16:49 - 63924 of 81564

Contaminating!

jimmy b - 19 Oct 2015 16:50 - 63925 of 81564

Great guy !
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