Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

oh well done fred! ...... several chapeaux for that brilliant witticism

for once, try commenting without ideological crap and about the present day and not history

You would understand even if I could take you seriously.

Go back to your barrow.

Read and consider implications of actions taken by your government:

Doctors, teachers, the police – public servants are demoralised

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/18/doctors-teachers-police-public-servants-demoralised

It is very brief and sums up what is happening as a result of barrow boys' dogma.

Labour 'hasn't a hope in hell' of winning elections, says resigning peer
Lord Warner, the first Labour parliamentarian to resign from party after election of Jeremy Corbyn, says party must change tack

About Lord Wally:

On Twitter, former Deputy Prime Minister Lord Prescott said Lord Warner had in the past proposed charging people to use the NHS, adding: "No credibility. No great loss."
And shadow work and pensions secretary Owen Smith suggested the peer had "been leaving us for quite a while".

"He voted with the Tories a couple of years ago, under the last Labour leadership, to privatise parts of the NHS," he told BBC 2's Newsnight. "He is somebody who has advocated charging for the NHS, charging to stay overnight....I'm not sure we will miss him too much."

inevitable response, but i believe Warner is well-respected in HoL and of course has no need to kowtow to JC and his appointed (and annointed?) flagellants

Not inevitable at all fish face.. but the truth, and respected by who exactly in your humble?

HoL itself - no that's no answer ...... can't remember i must confess ..... there is much to be said for an unelected chamber as they cannot be bulldozed as easily

aha!
it was from today's guardian, which is scarcely a poodle to the conservatives .....

The Corbyn team may dismiss Warner's resignation, but they will be wary of saying anything that alienates other Labour peers, partly because Warner is widely respected as an assiduous peer and expert on health care reform. Few Labour peers have any sympathy for Corbyn and unlike Labour MPs are not subject to his patronage.

..As an aside, what's a right winger like you doing reading the Guardian may I ask?

it arrives in my e-mail every morning, though unsure how come
actually, it's very good and has many interesting and decently balanced articles

On a dull dreary day reading the Guardian cheers me up no end Stan, a laugh a minute from page 1. :0)

You have much to learn CC.. much to learn -):

Now Alf getting back to Lord whats'is face, who on earth cares what he thinks or says.. only "Con" Artist supporters apparently.

I think Corbyn can sit back and wait for the tories and neo-cons to implode.

I think he has no need to hurry, he has got four and half years to total up the torrid mistakes being made by this government.

He had four and a half year to formulate economic policies for 6, 10 and 15years ahead to address "modern" economic problems.

He has four and a half years for the Labour party and younger members to mature and accept the probable realities of governing and also the speed at which changes can occur.

A process of evolution not revolution and sensible discussion as to what the people Labour represent wish for and also the needs of the country as a whole and what is feasible.

But, that may mean dumping of disappointed previous so-called leadership who consider themselves as being moderate by swinging to the right-wing of politics and accepting its dogma.

But, my guess work is that in about two and a half years time, Labour will do a deal with the SNP and Lib/Dems and one or two smaller groups (Not UKIP) in order to rid the UK of the torrid party.

Failing this or in spite of this Scotland will have greater or complete independence.

Perhaps, they may wreak retribution after the election.

Personally, would prefer them to be more moderate.

Interesting times.


But Corbyn has all the time he needs and will not be pushed by the media or by tory mendacity.

Stan,


The Alf Garnet of Moneyam doesn't read the Guardian.

He has somebody to read and explain it to him.

Mind he is trying to keep up with social changes.


8-)

George Osborne must not retreat on tax credits

Telegraph View: Unpicking Gordon Brown's welfare snare will mean short-term political pain, but it is vital work that must go ahead



By Telegraph View:

6:30AM BST 20 Oct 2015

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Gordon Brown was a skilled political saboteur, adept at setting snares for his enemies. Tax credits are a fine example. Mr Brown created a major new welfare payment whose steady growth has left many people dependent on the state for some of their income. Just as Mr Brown surely intended, unpicking that snare by reducing those payments is proving controversial for his successor, George Osborne.


Conservative MPs, rightly conscious of the immediate consequences for low-income constituents, are nervous. They should remember that other major changes in welfare, such as the household welfare cap and the so-called “bedroom tax”, also drew warnings of political and social Armageddon; some even suggested that curbs on housing benefits would lead to the “ethnic cleansing” of major cities. Of course, such fears proved overblown. MPs wavering over tax credits should also recall they were elected in May after those cuts – and on a clear promise to cut another £12 billion from welfare.



And for all Mr Brown’s linguistic cunning in naming his scheme to disguise its true nature, tax credits are indeed welfare, money taken from workers in tax then redistributed by the state according to politicians’ whims. As such, tax credits are inefficient and reduce economic incentives to work and earn more. Despite the short-term political pain, Mr Osborne is right to free Britain from Mr Brown’s snare. This parliament still has more than four years to run and there is more work to be done to balance the books. A retreat on tax credits would weaken the Government and hamper that vital work. Stick to your plans, Chancellor.

Tis true Fred, Alf is a very very sad case indeed and we must take pity on the poor lad.

Tax Credit Cuts: Labour Reversal Vote Defeated


19:41, UK, Tuesday 20 October 2015


http://news.sky.com/story/1573163/tax-credit-cuts-labour-reversal-vote-defeated


A Labour motion calling on the Government to rethink controversial tax credit cuts has been defeated in the Commons.


The opposition day motion called for a reversal of the policy but MPs voted against it by 317 to 295.

Attention will now turn to the House of Lords on Monday, when peers could kill off the cuts in a "fatal" motion.

The tax credit cuts would see three million low-paid families losing more than £1,000 a year.


Despite Labour losing the vote, the debate saw a number of Tory MPs speak out against the changes.

"Despite Labour losing the vote, the debate saw a number of Tory MPs speak out against the changes."

Speak out? yeah they do a lot of that don't they.. but did they actually "vote against" the cuts or not?