Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Germany posted a record trade surplus in 2016, just weeks after Donald Trump's top trade adviser accused the country of exploiting a "grossly undervalued" euro.
The country's €253bn (£215bn) trade surplus was the result of a 1.2pc rise in exports to €1.2 trillion, while imports only rose 0.6pc to €954.6bn, according to the federal statistics office.
The 2016 surplus surpasses the previous high of €244.3bn set in 2015.
Germany's 2016 current account surplus, which measures the total money flowing in and out of a country, of €266bn, surpassed China's last year, making it the world's largest.

Trump's team is, as usual, right in the sentiment but wrong in the detail. . The Euro is not undervalued as far as the rest of the EU is concerned, but it does give Germany a competitive advantage which it would not have had had it retained the DM. No wonder it is determined that the EU does not fall apart.

MaxK....."I am fed up with the delays...there was a clear vote"

After intermittently watching QT last night the constantly griping Owen Smith,
has to be one of the most negative anti-British snowflakes that is given airtime,
And just like lily alen, when a question came up on what you would say to these
'child' refugees, owen replied "I would appologise on behalf of the 'British'
people...Well I can assure you he does not speak for me..

Yes , a prize dick head and did we really need Billy Bragg on there .
I really can't see how people like Owen Smith have the gall to go on tv spouting their crap.

fter Brexit: The Battle For Europe - BBC News

A clip of last nights BBC programme ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yZv37kvWjA

Did they make the audience see that before hand , doubt it .

"There Are None So Blind
As Those Who Don't Want to See or too Frightened to."

Specsavers .

Haystack you must be mad if you want an election out of this .

Good to see Blair sticking his oar into the Brexit debate and further dividing the Labour Party and galvanising support amongst the Tories.

That blokes a God send to the Brexit camp being his immigration policy caused many Labour voters to vote for Brexit.

Hope he makes another speech next week.

Read the content of the speech and forget the personal abuse.

No abuse from me Fred I thought his speech was wonderful even if it was slightly delusional.

Lest he forgets it was largely the same electorate who voted him PM twice who he now has the cheek to accuse of not knowing what they voted for.

Pot kettle black springs to mind and what happened to the referendum that he promised us ? At least Cammy kept to his word.

If one sees somebody is attempting to commit suicide generally one would attempt to stop them from succeeding at least once or twice thus enabling them to review their proposed action.

I think the same applies to the referendum.

It seems a little similar to "acting in haste and repenting at leisure".

Many of those voting for leaving the "EU" reacting as adolescents who can't get their own ways on everything they demand.

''Many of those voting for leaving the "EU" reacting as adolescents who can't get their own ways on everything they demand.''

This sentence best describes the Remoaners, they simply can't accept that the majority of voters want to Leave.

It's what the remoaners do GEORGE , they make out your thick if you voted out . This comes from a person who couldn't get off his arse and go and vote . But persistently parades on here like some sort of know it all , cock plank , who twists and turns events to suit his tired old historical sad arguments . Very sad .

George.

Cash and cronies were moaning for 40 years.

Why shouldn't the remainers do the same?

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Vicky, you are sounding more and more like a Trump redneck frightened to have his dummy taken away from him.

I see even Corblimey has criticised Bliar , even said we are out of the EU .

It would have been suicide to stay in Fred the EU is a shambles and is unlikely to survive in its current state for much longer.

Wouldn't have to stretch your imagination too far to imagine a West Europe free trade zone made up of UK , France , Netherlands , Norway , Iceland etc in the not too distant future.

fred 6411

"Cash and Cronies were moaning for 40 years"


Yes and in that time there were at least two new treaties drawn up, not to
mention all the other thousands of rules and regulations, when by rights WE
should've have had a referendum on the changes in these treaty's, there were
promises made by those lying toerags who supported the implementation of
these treaties to have a referendum, along with their full backing for the EU,
but were soon binned for fear of what eventually happened in the recent vote.

Well it's those Lords turn today, wonder what time they start about 11 am prob then dinner then sleep it off then go home , Three weeks later we may hear something . I see stupid drawn out arguments going on here .

Ho yes there will be plenty of ping ponging back and forth between houses,
attempting to change amendments, dragging it out, more expenses to claim
for, there's nothing like making hay while the sun shines.

Mandelsons already spouting the Lords will scupper Brexit....If they do May
had better have plans drawn up to dismantle that unelected self-important
quango...