goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
Haystack
- 21 Oct 2015 16:07
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Cynic
Read this and maybe watch the video.
Netanyahu's comments that the Mufti of Jerusalem was the one who convinced Hitler to exterminate the Jews.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681544
Fred1new
- 21 Oct 2015 16:09
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guarantees
Some will swallow anything and I will watch the job figures with interest!
Fred1new
- 21 Oct 2015 16:10
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Mind thinking back Cameron couldn't guarantee that he hadn't put his balls in a dead pig's mouth!
Stan
- 21 Oct 2015 16:13
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"Haystack - 21 Oct 2015 16:04 - 64011 of 64012
It creates upto 25,000 jobs and guarantees energy supply at a fixed price in the future."
But at the same time creates enormous loses long term on the disposal of waste, not to mention other negatives.. maybe you forgot to mention that.
Stan
- 21 Oct 2015 16:13
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Body of type deleted.. could have sworn that my original post did not appear.
Haystack
- 21 Oct 2015 16:28
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It is good or bad depending on your view of nuclear power. We have decided to go the nuclear route anyway, so that it would be happening irrespective of China's involvement. China is just the vehicle for some of the investment (20%).
Stan
- 21 Oct 2015 17:04
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No H/S it's not anyone's individual opinion of nuclear that counts, the long term cost of decommissioning and safety record of nuclear is far to serious to leave just to peoples "opinions", afraid thats just a short term abrogation of responsibility by irresponsible government.
Chris Carson
- 21 Oct 2015 17:12
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Jeremy Corbyn's appointment of Seumas Milne is 'morally and ethically wrong'
A former parliamentary Labour candidate has attacked Jeremy Corbyn's decision to appoint the 'fascism-apologist' Seumas Milne as his top advisor
By Laura Hughes, Political Correspondent
12:19PM BST 21 Oct 2015
Jeremy Corbyn's decision to appoint Seumas Milne as his strategy and communications chief is "morally and ethically wrong", a former parliamentary Labour candidate has said.
Kate Godfrey, a former UN adviser who stood as an MP in the last election, has written a strongly worded statement in which she says the appointment of a man who has defended terrorism, "devalues everything that Labour stands for."
Mr Milne, an associate editor at the Guardian, has suggested the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby "wasn't terrorism in the normal sense" because the soldier had served in Afghanistan.
Responding to mr Corbyn's decision, Miss Godfrey wrote: "So Mr Corbyn, what made you appoint fascism-apologist Seumas Milne? How could you? How bloody could you? How could you appoint Seumas Milne to be your voice, your eyes, your hands?
"These are the truths that only Seumas Milne upholds. Mr Corbyn, these are the truths that you have bought into. These are the stocks that the leader of the Labour Party has seen, and shouted, ‘buy!’
"We are ashamed in front of the world. It is morally and ethically wrong. Seumas Milne might act for you, Mr Corbyn. He might speak for you. He does not speak for me."
So Mr Corbyn, what made you appoint facism-apologist Seumas Milne? https://t.co/NCoqfuD9A3
— Kate Godfrey (@KateVotesLabour) October 20, 2015
In an article written in 2013, after the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby, Mr Milne said such attacks were "the predicted consequence of an avalanche of violence unleashed by the US, Britain and others in eight direct military interventions in Arab and Muslim countries that have left hundreds of thousands of dead.
"Only the wilfully blind or ignorant can be shocked when there is blowback from that onslaught at home. The surprise should be that there haven't been more such atrocities."
Just two days after terrorists destroyed the Twin Towers, he wrote that Americans couldn't "see why they're hated".
Labour MPs have described the appointment, which Mr Milne will take up next week, as "totally bizarre".
John Woodcock MP has described Mr Milne's appointment as "insane", posting on Twitter: "Yes, am sure this can't be true. Just right wing papers making mischief.
"Its hard to see how this appointment can be seen as valid unless he renounces his documented sympathy for terrorism."
Simon Danczuk told The Sun: "This is a totally bizarre appointment of a man more likely to become the story rather than control our party's message."
Mr Milne has said he doesn't believe "Western bombs won't defeat Isis" and accused Labour MPs who voted for military action Syria of "defying" the new Labour leader.
A Guardian News & Media spokesperson has confirmed: "Seumas will be taking a period of unpaid leave from the Guardian to take up the role of executive director of strategy and communications at the Labour Party."
Chris Carson
- 21 Oct 2015 17:21
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By hiring Seumas Milne, Jeremy Corbyn shows his utter contempt for real Labour voters
Real Labour voters read tabloids, love the Queen and join the Army. They don't relate to Guardianista apologias for terrorism
“You think I’m going to compromise my views just to be popular? Just to be elected? Well, look who I’ve just hired!”
By Tom Harris
11:40AM BST 21 Oct 2015
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Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t make it easy for himself, does he?
He could have chosen as his new "Executive Director of Strategy and Communications" someone whose skills in media management were better known than his personal political views.
Instead he chose Seumas Milne, a hate figure for the right of the Labour Party and pretty much everyone else to the right of that. A man whose strongly expressed views on terrorism, Israel and the United States align him precisely with the long-held views of the Labour leader.
In this appointment, Corbyn has stuck two fingers up at his detrators. “You think I’m going to compromise my views just to be popular? Just to be elected? Well, look who I’ve just hired!”
The problem is that he’s also stuck two fingers up at the only people still (perhaps) willing to give him a chance: voters who stuck with Labour in May 2015.
Corbyn (and Milne) would have a hard time relating to these voters. They would struggle to understand people who regularly buy tabloids such as The Sun or the Mail. They would shake their heads in bewilderment on realising that such people, real Labour voters, are more likely to read Richard Littlejohn than open up a Twitter account.
These Labour voters are rather fond of the Queen, or at the most can’t summon the energy to get much exercised about an unelected monarchy either way. Their sons and daughters join the Army and risk their lives in foreign lands. In doing so, these young people fight with the blessing, not the contempt, of their proud families.
These people, many of whom probably voted Labour in May through gritted teeth, would be appalled to read – as they will now certainly do – the opinions on such matters of the man to whom Corbyn has entrusted the task of communicating Labour’s message.
They will view Milne’s explanation of Islamist terrorism at home and abroad as an apologia for such acts. They will recoil at Milne’s view that the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby “was not terrorism in the normal sense” and at his glowing descriptions of Iraqi insurgents attempting to blow up those voters’ sons and daughters wearing British army uniforms.
Corbyn has chosen unwisely. Milne, so contemptuous of traditional working class attitudes to Queen and country and to the newspaper mediums by which such attitudes are reinforced, will serve only to remind voters that his boss’s views are exactly the same.
Tom Harris is a former Labour MP and now runs his own lobbying company.
Fred1new
- 21 Oct 2015 17:21
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Too good for the neo-cons party!
8-)
Chris Carson
- 21 Oct 2015 17:30
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Scots voters consider Labour ‘irrelevant’
published14:40 Wednesday 21 October 2015
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LABOUR is seen as “irrelevant” and “part of the past” by voters in Scotland who have deserted the party, research using focus groups into the party’s heavy General Election defeat in May has found.
The focus groups conducted in Edinburgh and Glasgow for the party found that Labour was seen as “indistinguishable from the Tories” and “an incompetent version” of the them.
Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scots-voters-consider-labour-irrelevant-1-3923469#ixzz3pDjn4xq1
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Chris Carson
- 21 Oct 2015 17:37
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sorry for the distress': Tom Watson apologises to Leon Brittan's widow after top cop brands rape slurs 'a baseless witch hunt'
Labour MP Tom Watson today apologised for the 'distress' caused to Leon Brittan's family by referring to him as 'evil' after he died in January
But deputy leader said he had a 'duty' to stand up for sex abuse victims
It came after a police detective said the case against Brittan was 'baseless'
DCI Settle ruled the case against the Brittan 'should not proceed' in 2013
But Lord Brittan was questioned after Tom Watson wrote to prosecutors
By Tom McTague, Deputy Political Editor for MailOnline
Published: 15:03, 21 October 2015 | Updated: 17:18, 21 October 2015
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3282669/Police-interrogation-Leon-Brittan-unfounded-sex-smears-unlawful-detective-charge-case-tells-MPs.html#ixzz3pDl4Ycz1
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We want Watson out of politcs simply because he's seriously nasty human being if he can be described as that.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3282669/Police-interrogation-Leon-Brittan-unfounded-sex-smears-unlawful-detective-charge-case-tells-MPs.html#ixzz3pDlU6l9O
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Given, according to this highly professional and experienced police officer, the questioning of Leon Brittan was unlawful, it strikes me that some criminal prosecutions for misconduct in public office should follow.
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What a despicable tub of lard.Just a big bullyboy
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Haystack
- 21 Oct 2015 18:13
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Stan
The point is that we are going nuclear and all parties agree on it. Therefore it is irrelevant whether the Chinese are involved. Personally, I am happy to use nuclear power and I guess you are not.
Edit
Forgot the crazy Greens. They probably won't like it.
ExecLine
- 21 Oct 2015 20:48
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I thought I'd have a go at answering my own questions...
I found this site:
World Nuclear Org - Nuclear-Basics - What are nuclear wastes
Fred1new
- 21 Oct 2015 22:20
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Exec,
I have favoured development of Nuclear Energy for close on 60years. It seems sensible power source alongside other "energy" sources and production.
I would be happy to have cancellation of Trident Submarines as they are outdated and the cash going into the nuclear power stations controlled fully by the "government" of this country and more conventional defence military weapons (include nuclear weapons of the present age).
I hope the nuclear waste we have is disposed of in the Witney area.
cynic
- 22 Oct 2015 08:49
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cadence ..... it has many subtleties all related to rhythm and similar - including when pedalling a bicycle!
"striking a chord" was sort of the meaning intended, but that wasn't right either
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did fred ever answer the question as to whether he had similar objections to Tata, an indian conglomerate, taking over the steel works in the first place, as he now does to the chinese participation in building this power station?
past record suggest not
iturama
- 22 Oct 2015 08:53
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With Fred it is more like banging a drum than striking a chord.... gives a headache.
Fred1new
- 22 Oct 2015 09:14
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Manuel,
I did and still have some questions about "outsourcing" UK large basic industries outside the UK.
It "felt" a bit like having one's water supply and controlled by an overseas country which is OK until the water stops flowing.
Or having a foreign legion forming your "Defence" force.
Get back to your kitchen and DYOH.
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It,
I would suggest a quick and cheap decapitation would solve your headache problem.
Drop me a line and I will see what can be arranged for you.
Fred1new
- 22 Oct 2015 09:19
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Well done Dave.
I suppose he could sell the English Rugby team to them. Though I don't suppose he would get much for them.
What is Bejing like for a weekend break?