Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hmmm? Thanks for telling me.

Thought I'd caught the dreaded Fred Virus for the moment but all is well now.

You know you did ought to tell yourself a few times a day.

Sod it then ,lets take them all in cynic .

It,

I would suggest a quick and cheap decapitation would solve your headache problem.

Drop me a line and I will see what can be arranged for you.

.. It's a cracker as the late great Irishman would have said -):

Have you stopped taking your clozapine?

Manuel.

when I first read ;

"Real name: cynic
Location: west of heathrow
Biography
an opinionated pain who neverthless refuses to take himself too seriously and rarely gets upset by acid retort from those whose feathers he has ruffled."


I thought you were developing some insight and there was hope for you.

I am sorry, but if so, you seem very slow at doing so.


Keep on "trying".

You are good at it!

It,

Never tried it.

How does feel when you stopped taking it.

jimmy - for all sorts of pretty obvious reasons, which fred would never admit to understanding let alone accepting, an open-door policy is a recipe for disaster

i know that almost sweeps the very real problem under the carpet, but i do not pretend to know the answer

I don't read any of Fred's posts he's not open minded enough for me . I might not like Labour but i can also say that Cameron has got several things wrong as well ..

Just learnt, the new Neo-cons' policy, is that in order to balance up the problem in the immigration problem, we can advertise in Bejing for a couple of millions "holiday" makers to migrate to the Thames Valley for holidays.

And as long as their pockets are full, or they have bought up London, we won't send them home.

Happy days are here again.

JB.

I am trying to bring a little balance to this thread!


8-)

Ps, after leaving my teens I have frequently moved to the left of the neo-cons.

i'll second that jimmy

i'ld like to understand better the arguments for and against the tax credit cuts, or how they might sensibly be softened so that the thrust and logic of the cuts (with which i agree) is not lost, but (perhaps) so that fewer lose out undeservedly



with regards to nhs and junior doctors, i have heard several conflicting arguments from a number of consultants and similar ...... however, all agree that the amount of paperwork now required is preposterous and also that there are far too many o'paid administrators who do little other than protect their empires

this morning i had an interesting chat regarding (as it happens) having a chloresterol test, merely as a self-check rather than because a doctor has told me that i should have one
with huge difficulty and much argument, i managed to get one done at my local surgery ...... the only alternative would have been to go to a private clinic that would have charged £100 or more
i would have been more than happy to have paid my surgery £5/10 or whatever which would have helped their cashflow and profitability and also added to my medical history without the need to waste a doctor's appt
our surgery already asks patients (over a certain age?) to carry out blood pressure tests on a gadget in the reception area, and that is certainly a step in the right direction, though far from commonplace i believe

Manuel,


"however, all agree that the amount of paperwork now required is preposterous and also that there are far too many o'paid administrators who do little other than protect their empires"


Do you mean the administrators are treading on the hallowed ground which the medics thought was theirs?
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If you had the ability to do the "cholesterol" test, could you interpret the results? If so would you instruct the chemist to prescribe what you think appropriate and rely on your own management?

If not, if necessary, how would you administer other related conditions and provide those services.

Also, in your condition who would you have to repeatedly explain what was happening to you.


Also, how much would the simple "blood sampling machine cost" against the size of practice.



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I was surprised how much the machinery (Xrays machines etc.) and other equipment cost a smallish well equipped dental practice. (About £1.5+ million) Also, on top was staff and premises costs.

Made me think a little.

cholesterol test
i probably didn't word it very clearly
in its current form, nhs does not pay surgeries for preventative measures, either in medicine or dentistry
thus, for cholesterol, a surgery will only take the simple blood sample required and send it away for analysis if
(a) the patient has had a doc's appt
(b) the doc then recommends a test, after which
(c) you have to make another appt with the surgery nurse and then
(d) a follow-up appt with the doc .....

that's an awful lot of work when it would be simpler to have an initial (and "contribution" required if afforded) nurse's appt for a blood test and a recall only if the tests come up with something of concern - NOT if all is well

I wouldn't bother your going to die anyway ,just have another fry up and a fag ...

i just want to ensure that fred will never benefit from any iht on my estate

as my dad said, persuading me not to smoke - of course he and my mother did - was one of the best things he ever did for me

Manuel,

Again misinformed.

GPs, in general, do get paid for preventive medicine.

I.E. Hypertensive, diabetic, elderly clinics etc. and targets.

(Arguments over their benefits are different.)

The reason for a patient (almost wrote idiot) requesting a test is sometimes as important as the test.

Naive acceptance of result of without background knowledge of the patient or their history is more than problematic, it is idiotic, unless you enquiring as to the number idiots are out there.

It is beneficial to have the facilities and those with some background in medicine, or medical sciences to make sensible conclusion, as to whether it is the appropriate "test" or would other investigations and follow-up is appropriate.

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Requesting the "test" is an opener! In your case to see a friendly Psych.

Ps, You may not have smoked but I guess you have spent enough time in bars inhaling the exhalations of those around you to raise the possibility of lumps and bumps.

Ask for a chest X-ray when next see the quack, whoever the poor bugger is!

English votes for English MPs has passed a vote in the Commons.

Are the present bunch of neo-cons attempting to fragment the UK and its infrastructures?

They are f. mad.

They are a bunch of over grown school boys.

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No one with Talk talk on here is there? read this if you are http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34611857