Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Haystack you must be mad if you want an election out of this .

Good to see Blair sticking his oar into the Brexit debate and further dividing the Labour Party and galvanising support amongst the Tories.

That blokes a God send to the Brexit camp being his immigration policy caused many Labour voters to vote for Brexit.

Hope he makes another speech next week.

Read the content of the speech and forget the personal abuse.

No abuse from me Fred I thought his speech was wonderful even if it was slightly delusional.

Lest he forgets it was largely the same electorate who voted him PM twice who he now has the cheek to accuse of not knowing what they voted for.

Pot kettle black springs to mind and what happened to the referendum that he promised us ? At least Cammy kept to his word.

If one sees somebody is attempting to commit suicide generally one would attempt to stop them from succeeding at least once or twice thus enabling them to review their proposed action.

I think the same applies to the referendum.

It seems a little similar to "acting in haste and repenting at leisure".

Many of those voting for leaving the "EU" reacting as adolescents who can't get their own ways on everything they demand.

''Many of those voting for leaving the "EU" reacting as adolescents who can't get their own ways on everything they demand.''

This sentence best describes the Remoaners, they simply can't accept that the majority of voters want to Leave.

It's what the remoaners do GEORGE , they make out your thick if you voted out . This comes from a person who couldn't get off his arse and go and vote . But persistently parades on here like some sort of know it all , cock plank , who twists and turns events to suit his tired old historical sad arguments . Very sad .

George.

Cash and cronies were moaning for 40 years.

Why shouldn't the remainers do the same?

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Vicky, you are sounding more and more like a Trump redneck frightened to have his dummy taken away from him.

I see even Corblimey has criticised Bliar , even said we are out of the EU .

It would have been suicide to stay in Fred the EU is a shambles and is unlikely to survive in its current state for much longer.

Wouldn't have to stretch your imagination too far to imagine a West Europe free trade zone made up of UK , France , Netherlands , Norway , Iceland etc in the not too distant future.

fred 6411

"Cash and Cronies were moaning for 40 years"


Yes and in that time there were at least two new treaties drawn up, not to
mention all the other thousands of rules and regulations, when by rights WE
should've have had a referendum on the changes in these treaty's, there were
promises made by those lying toerags who supported the implementation of
these treaties to have a referendum, along with their full backing for the EU,
but were soon binned for fear of what eventually happened in the recent vote.

Well it's those Lords turn today, wonder what time they start about 11 am prob then dinner then sleep it off then go home , Three weeks later we may hear something . I see stupid drawn out arguments going on here .

Ho yes there will be plenty of ping ponging back and forth between houses,
attempting to change amendments, dragging it out, more expenses to claim
for, there's nothing like making hay while the sun shines.

Mandelsons already spouting the Lords will scupper Brexit....If they do May
had better have plans drawn up to dismantle that unelected self-important
quango...

Lords will not block the Article 50, but they may be persuaded to be more than a little obstructive further down the line

however, it should be remembered that the Lords often serves a very useful role in debating and trhen asking Parliament to reconsider many aspects of of many bills, and we should be thankful that they have that power

There's a record 191 peers due to speak on the debate .

The Lord's needs reform. It has more active members than the European Parliament which represents 28 countries. We need a second house but that bunch of non-elected requires trimming back to no more than 100 elected representatives.

Democracy is a system of government in which power is held by elected representatives of the people or the people themselves. By definition, the Lords is anti-democratic. A fringe party, the liberal democrats, has no less than 98 appointed peers. 9 in parliament, most of whom are certifiably insane.

We've had a vote , Parliament passed it now we have to wait on a bunch of selected ever increasing wealthy individuals who will spend more time protecting and concerning themselves with migrants scroungers et al , than they will with the actual people they should be concerned with that is the British working class family .

Maybe I should have said the British Tax paying public .

i'm not sure that an elected Lords is necessarily right either, for there is a danger that it would have a similar make-up to the prevailing parliament

as usual for this BB, you have a fixation with money and (fictitious) class

as it happens
1) a great many members of the Lords will not be wealthy

2) just because a member of the Lords has money, does not mean that he is self-interested, though you like to portray that image

3) the strength of this unelected Lords is that can and indeed does have very informed and lively debates on important issues, and will frequently table intelligent amendments for Parliament to consider ....... which it often does and acts upon