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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Stan - 29 Nov 2012 15:51 - 6419 of 6906

Well why does our lot not vote for them? What exactly is stopping them?

cynic - 29 Nov 2012 15:54 - 6420 of 6906

probably best to see what the vote actually brings and what the wording detail is ..... that will no doubt give a clue as why certain countries voted as they did ..... one of the items to look for is the pursuit or otherwise of certain people through ICC

Fred1new - 29 Nov 2012 15:54 - 6421 of 6906

vote?

Stan - 29 Nov 2012 15:58 - 6422 of 6906

Yes sorry "vote".

Haystack - 29 Nov 2012 16:09 - 6423 of 6906

The wording and details of the resolution are very tame. They just talk about self determination and 1967 borders. There is nothing contentious in them. As regards the use of the ICC, that is open to all members. If the Palestinians do not charge Israel retrospectively then all Israel has to do to avoid the ICC is to behave in a civilised way. Of course that means no more settlements as they are illegal and constitute a war crime in someone else's territory. The continued occupation of the West Bank is another war crime as is the stealing of Palestinian land. It does begin to sound that Israel needs a change of direction.

cynic - 29 Nov 2012 16:13 - 6424 of 6906

following the initial euphoria, it should not be forgotten that it takes two to tango and there are many hard years ahead - or just several if one is very lucky

Haystack - 29 Nov 2012 16:15 - 6425 of 6906

It looks like the session which will lead to the vote should start at 8pm our time. It can be watched live on the UN web site. The number of countries voting against is getting very small now. The US, Canada, The Marshal Islands, maybe Denmark but they may abstain. China and Russia should be a yes. I would surprised if they get ten to vote no out of 193.

cynic - 29 Nov 2012 16:17 - 6426 of 6906

i'm a celebrity will make better watching, or even corrie or eastenders

Stan - 29 Nov 2012 16:17 - 6427 of 6906

So what's stopping us voting for then?

cynic - 29 Nov 2012 16:19 - 6428 of 6906

perhaps we (uk) will vote "for" depending on what deals may have been done behind the scenes

Haystack - 29 Nov 2012 16:28 - 6429 of 6906

The UK statement was that we would vote yes if the Palestinians promised to avoid the ICC and agreed to start peace talks after the vote. Abbas promised to start talks straight after the vote, although I guess that would still be contingent on Israel stopping settlement building. It is unrealistic to expect Palestine to give up access to the ICC when every other state has recourse to it. As Abbas would not accept these terms the UK will abstain. It looks like we don't want to upset the US.

Fred1new - 29 Nov 2012 16:35 - 6430 of 6906

Hays,

I am always in a minority, but I remain convinced all my actions are and have been right!

(Wife's and children's opinion.)
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But the change will be welcomed and hopefully, this may lead to a decent outcome for the Palestinians and restoration for some of the abuses they have been subjected to.

Although, I can see the present Israeli administration trying to ignore the current World opinion and lead to a period of isolation for Israel.

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The next step will be “full membership” of the UN by the Palestinian State.

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Interesting times!

Stan - 29 Nov 2012 16:37 - 6431 of 6906

I thought as much, Well if that's the case why don't they do something else for a living instead of acting like a poodle to the yanks on our behalf.

cynic - 29 Nov 2012 16:44 - 6432 of 6906

unfair .... if that was the case, uk would vote against

Stan - 29 Nov 2012 16:53 - 6433 of 6906

Fed up with this Country acting like another state of America. This is the UK and I expect our success Governments to have realised and acted as such and not like a lap dog for the Yanks..

cynic - 29 Nov 2012 16:59 - 6434 of 6906

excuse me, but you can't have your cake and eat it - see above
there are only 3 options in this vote - for or against or abstain
usa is against
uk is tending or actually for and at worst would abstain, but i think that's unlikely

Stan - 29 Nov 2012 17:03 - 6435 of 6906

The States always side with Israel when it comes to it and so do we, thats what I'm talking about. Nothing to do with cakes.

Fred1new - 29 Nov 2012 17:08 - 6436 of 6906

Stan,

The present government is looking more and more out of touch with the present World opinion and harken back to the days of the Empire.

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The UK under tory leadership has always acting on self interest, but never as blatantly as the present government, which is isolating the UK and any influences it still may have.

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The economic policies, European and the Humanitarian Legal policies, the general "foreign" policies and now reform of Press regulations are out of touch.

The present cabinet is acting like 6th form old Etonians on hash.

Good government sometimes needs courageous actions, not short termed policies which are seen as politically expedient made for internal party benefits attempting to keep party funding going and the gang in power.

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cynic - 29 Nov 2012 17:24 - 6437 of 6906

stan - you're talking bollocks! .... are you trying to say that uk will therefore vote AGAINST?

Stan - 29 Nov 2012 17:28 - 6438 of 6906

If anyone's talking it's Bollocks Cynic it's you.
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