Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

We need leaders that say it has it is, not always looking in the side and rear mirrors. "The murderous sonofabitch was taken out at the first clear opportunity we had. And good riddance".
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Don't these people realize that we want to see some outrage and they should tear up the rulebook if necessary?

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All illegals here should de deported quickly and sod the yuman rights lawyers.




It would seem "terrorists" have similar mindset about their "opponents".

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Not sure which frightens me the most!

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It's because there's an army of said Lawyers waiting to be paid by us to help poor souls stay here whatever they have done . It costs £18,000 to take to court a single sham marriage case .But well done for venting your feelings .

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-shadow-minister-tells-journalists-jeremy-corbyn-is-a-fing-disgrace-after-angry-meeting-a6737306.html

Labour shadow minister tells journalists Jeremy Corbyn is a 'f***ing disgrace' after angry meeting
Some MPs were reportedly unhappy about Mr Corbyn questioning the Government's 'shoot to kill' policy and action on Syria

One of Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow ministers has branded their leader a “f***ing disgrace” after he attended an acrimonious meeting with Labour MPs.

Some politicians at the private Monday evening meeting were reportedly angry that Mr Corbyn had questioned police having a “shoot to kill” policy for terror suspects on British soil.
There was also said to be dissent over the Labour leader’s statement earlier in the day effective ruling out support for military action in Syria.

“He doesn’t answer anything. He got roasted, he’s a f****** disgrace,” the MP said, according to both the Daily Mirror and The Sun newspapers.

The BBC reports another anonymous MP as saying the Labour leader was “aggressively heckled” during the meeting.

A spokesperson for Mr Corbyn said that those who express critical views “volubly” were in the minority and that the shadow cabinet was united on blocking military action in Syria.

I'll say it again ....


A bit like some of the hysterical responses to the "atrocities" in France.......

TYPICAL FRED QUOTE .... 130 people massacred and Fred thinks wanting to wipe out the terrorist group responsible is a hysterical response , f.....g unbelievable .

On 21 May 2004, Mr Corbyn raised an early day motion entitled “pigeon bombs”, proposing that the House register being “appalled but barely surprised” that MI5 reportedly proposed to load pigeons with explosives as a weapon. The motion continued: “The House… believes that humans represent the most obscene, perverted, cruel, uncivilised and lethal species ever to inhabit the planet and looks forward to the day when the inevitable asteroid slams into the earth and wipes them out thus giving nature the opportunity to start again.” It was not carried.

Hays,

Who was the "shadow minister".

Sounds suspicious to me.

I will have to put JB or It on to him!

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PS.

have a look at the "conception" behind Pidgeon bombs.

From Wikipedia;

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL); also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham or simply Islamic State (IS) is a Wahhabi/Salafi jihadist extremist militant group and self-proclaimed Islamic state and caliphate, which is led by and mainly composed of Sunni Arabs from Iraq and Syria.

As of March 2015, it has control over territory occupied by 10 million people in Iraq and Syria, and through loyal local groups, has control over small areas of Libya, Nigeria and Afghanistan. The group also operates or has affiliates in other parts of the world, including North Africa and South Asia.

The group is known in Arabic as ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām, leading to the acronym Da'ish or Daesh the Arabic equivalent of "ISIL".

On 29 June 2014, the group proclaimed itself to be a worldwide caliphate, with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi being named its caliph, and renamed itself ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah "Islamic State" (IS)).

A caliphate is a form of Islamic government led by a caliph - a person considered to be a political and religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad and a leader of the entire Muslim community.

As a caliphate, it claims religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide, and that "the legality of all emirates, groups, states, and organisations, becomes null by the expansion of the caliphate's authority and arrival of its troops to their areas".

The Islamic State is not really a mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse.

There does seem to be a 'flawed logic' which persists:

In Islam, the practice of takfir, or excommunication, is theologically perilous. “If a man says to his brother, ‘You are an infidel,’ ” the Prophet said, “then one of them is right.” If the accuser is wrong, he himself has committed apostasy by making a false accusation. The punishment for apostasy is death.

Denying the holiness of the Koran or the prophecies of Muhammad is straightforward apostasy. But a leader called Zarqawi and the state he spawned take the position that many other acts can remove a Muslim from Islam. These include, in certain cases, selling alcohol or drugs, wearing Western clothes or shaving one’s beard, voting in an election—even for a Muslim candidate—and being lax about calling other people apostates. Being a Shiite, as most Iraqi Arabs are, meets the standard as well, because the Islamic State regards Shiism as innovation, and to innovate on the Koran is to deny its initial perfection.

That means roughly 200 million Shia are marked for death. So too are the heads of state of every Muslim country, who have elevated man-made law above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God.

Following takfiri doctrine, the Islamic State is committed to purifying the world by killing vast numbers of people. The lack of objective reporting from its territory makes the true extent of the slaughter unknowable, but social-media posts from the region suggest that individual executions happen more or less continually, and mass executions every few weeks. Muslim “apostates” are the most common victims.

That's enough for now....

ISIL's (ie. a member of this particular caliphate's) route to a place in paradise after death is the next most important thing to understand/know what they believe....

Tame this one:

has anyone noticed that fred has still not voiced any opinion on what action he would support ..... or at least none that i have seen ...... of course, he was most insistent that i put my own to paper a couple of days back, but that was really only so he could deride it (comme d'habitude)

I say the right wing rabble appear really resentful today.. among other things.

Manuel,

Go back and reread my previous postings.

Think about the words "coordinated response".

Stop being at "being up and at them" like the Tinker and a few others.

Ask the first questions; "who are they, where are they, and why are they?".
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Stan,

I was interested in your use of word "resentful".

I was chatting with a few people about what was "happening" in society and the one of the words, which was repeated, was "resentment".

One of the reasons given for that seeming increase in overall “resentment” was put down to the “scapegoating” and damming of the more defenceless groups in our society.

It allows the instigators of those actions to divert attention from failings of one’s own and to proceed with goals which are often open to question.

But resentment is carried over as general dissatisfaction into the workplace and other organisation, as can be seen in the NHS, Police Force, Welfare Services and “Civil Services” etc. in general.

It ends up with individuals lashing out at “anything” or “anyone”, demonstrating different beliefs to their own “beliefs”.

fred - there has been so much verbal diarrhea since my own post, so perhaps you could indicate the post number of your own opinion of what should be done NOW so i may read and digest

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for resentment, you may wonder if that is not now synonymous with an unwillingness to shoulder blame for one's own actions (or inactions) or wondering who can be blamed or sued or who else might or "should" pick up the tab

Thinking things through might prove useful to people.

you mean like cordoning off an area and reasoning with a terrorist (or 6) with an explosive belt, grenades and a kalashnikov instead of shooting him - pref to disable so he can be questioned and persuaded to divulge better detail

Manuel,

First DYOH.

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or resentment, you may wonder if that is not now synonymous with an unwillingness to shoulder blame for one's own actions (or inactions)"

They are not synonymous but may be associated and the when the first may generate the latter, especially if the person concerned feels powerless.

In that position that "person" may be inclined to act out as can be seen.

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I think Corbyn is considering "reasonable" and "proportional" force in response to provocation, or insult.

That doesn't preclude violent response when thought "justifiable".

That seems perfectly reasonable.

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Stan,

I am trying my best to help some of them!

I guess the Paris police could have waited until the terrorists had shot everyone at the concert hall and then reasoned with them and persuaded them not to blow themselves up. If that is our policy then my vote goes to Corbyn to be the reasonable person to negotiate with them.

Hays,

Pop down to TPHQ and ask Lynton for a better line!

Jeremy Corbyn: I'm awaiting an explanation for why Jihadi John was killed

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn has suggested he WOULDN'T have ordered the killing of the depraved Islamic State (ISIS) murderer dubbed 'Jihadi John'.

Jeremy Corbyn accepts shoot-to-kill policy after Labour MPs savage his opposition

Labour leader's spectacular U-turn after earlier saying he is 'not happy' with shoot-to-kill policy if terrorists were loose in the UK

Jeremy Corbyn has said that he would authorise the use of lethal force against terrorists in a Paris-style attack, marking a dramatic reversal of his earlier opposition to David Cameron's shoot-to-kill policy.

The Labour leader had been openly challenged by his own shadow foreign secretary after saying he is not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in the event of terrorist attacks on Britain’s streets.