Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Manuel,

Go back and reread my previous postings.

Think about the words "coordinated response".

Stop being at "being up and at them" like the Tinker and a few others.

Ask the first questions; "who are they, where are they, and why are they?".
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Stan,

I was interested in your use of word "resentful".

I was chatting with a few people about what was "happening" in society and the one of the words, which was repeated, was "resentment".

One of the reasons given for that seeming increase in overall “resentment” was put down to the “scapegoating” and damming of the more defenceless groups in our society.

It allows the instigators of those actions to divert attention from failings of one’s own and to proceed with goals which are often open to question.

But resentment is carried over as general dissatisfaction into the workplace and other organisation, as can be seen in the NHS, Police Force, Welfare Services and “Civil Services” etc. in general.

It ends up with individuals lashing out at “anything” or “anyone”, demonstrating different beliefs to their own “beliefs”.

fred - there has been so much verbal diarrhea since my own post, so perhaps you could indicate the post number of your own opinion of what should be done NOW so i may read and digest

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for resentment, you may wonder if that is not now synonymous with an unwillingness to shoulder blame for one's own actions (or inactions) or wondering who can be blamed or sued or who else might or "should" pick up the tab

Thinking things through might prove useful to people.

you mean like cordoning off an area and reasoning with a terrorist (or 6) with an explosive belt, grenades and a kalashnikov instead of shooting him - pref to disable so he can be questioned and persuaded to divulge better detail

Manuel,

First DYOH.

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or resentment, you may wonder if that is not now synonymous with an unwillingness to shoulder blame for one's own actions (or inactions)"

They are not synonymous but may be associated and the when the first may generate the latter, especially if the person concerned feels powerless.

In that position that "person" may be inclined to act out as can be seen.

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I think Corbyn is considering "reasonable" and "proportional" force in response to provocation, or insult.

That doesn't preclude violent response when thought "justifiable".

That seems perfectly reasonable.

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Stan,

I am trying my best to help some of them!

I guess the Paris police could have waited until the terrorists had shot everyone at the concert hall and then reasoned with them and persuaded them not to blow themselves up. If that is our policy then my vote goes to Corbyn to be the reasonable person to negotiate with them.

Hays,

Pop down to TPHQ and ask Lynton for a better line!

Jeremy Corbyn: I'm awaiting an explanation for why Jihadi John was killed

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn has suggested he WOULDN'T have ordered the killing of the depraved Islamic State (ISIS) murderer dubbed 'Jihadi John'.

Jeremy Corbyn accepts shoot-to-kill policy after Labour MPs savage his opposition

Labour leader's spectacular U-turn after earlier saying he is 'not happy' with shoot-to-kill policy if terrorists were loose in the UK

Jeremy Corbyn has said that he would authorise the use of lethal force against terrorists in a Paris-style attack, marking a dramatic reversal of his earlier opposition to David Cameron's shoot-to-kill policy.

The Labour leader had been openly challenged by his own shadow foreign secretary after saying he is not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in the event of terrorist attacks on Britain’s streets.

Indeed Fred, unfortunately most of the noise from them is based on knee-jerk short term reactive behaviour (bit like some young kids).. however I wish you every success in your endeavours.

Here is a truly excellent, very interesting and explanatory article:

What ISIS really wants

The last dying thoes of the left.

Corbyn
A Shadow minister has told the BBC: “I am trying to respect the mandate he has but I felt physically sick, I just couldn’t stand it. He is not fit to be our leader or in any senior position in this country”.

H/S when was the last time you bought a share?

Which Shadow Minister.

George Osborne, after his next budget or Lynton Crosby?

as i have oft written, i'ld be very pleased indeed to see a credible opposition with a credible leader
sorry to say, but by any stretch of the imagination, corbyn cannot be deemed credible, let alone a potential pm

he is totally risible, clearly living in some cloud-cuckoo land ...... i'm afraid it will be quickly shown that he has lost much if not all of the public support that he will have picked up at his election as leader of the labour party

no doubt the socialist workers party and similar will claim it's all lies concocted by those evil media barons

I'll say it again ....


A bit like some of the hysterical responses to the "atrocities" in France.......

TYPICAL FRED QUOTE .... 130 people massacred and Fred thinks wanting to wipe out the terrorist group responsible is a hysterical response , f.....g unbelievable .

Come on H/S, answer the question (as Alf so frequently says) -):

Oi' Jim, you got tourette's ?

We are in this together >>>>PAIN.........

Russia, France Begin Cooperating On Syria As Kerry Ups Ante
Tue, 17th Nov 2015 14:58

Moscow/ISTANBUL (Alliance News) - Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his military Tuesday to cooperate with France as an ally in a joint anti-terrorism operation in Syria.

The news comes as US Secretary of State John Kerry said a "major effort" against the Islamic State extremist group is in motion and that the US, along with Turkey, will work to shut off the border in northern Syria, which the extremist group controls.

"The entire border of northern Syria, 75% of it has been shut off. And we are entering an operation with the Turks to shut off the other remaining 98 kilometres," Kerry said in an interview with broadcaster CNN.

"We are engaged in thickening our presence in Incirlik, more people flying more missions," Kerry adds, referring to a key airbase in southern Turkey, used by the anti-Islamic State coalition to fly sorties in territory held by Islamic State.

When asked if terrorist attacks such as the ones in Paris on Friday were the new normal, Kerry said: "Absolutely not, no. This is not normal, it will not be normal and will not become normal. This is an aberration."

The French Defence Ministry Tuesday reported airstrikes against the Islamic State terrorist organization overnight Tuesday in Syria. It was the country's second round of airstrikes since Friday's terrorist bombings in Paris, for which Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

Ten planes took off from bases in Jordan and the Persian Gulf and dropped a total of 16 bombs on an Islamic State command centre and a training ground, the ministry said in a statement.

In the first operation the previous night, French forces dropped 20 bombs and destroyed a commando position where munitions were stored and another training camp for terrorists.

The airstrikes are retaliation for the November 13 attacks on Paris, which have killed 129 people and for which the Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

In a Monday speech to parliament, President Francois Hollande said his country intended to "destroy" the terrorist organization and was going to "intensify" the raids.

Hollande said French strike capacity would "triple" as of Thursday, when the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier will be moved to the eastern Mediterranean.

No Stan but we do need to know that Fred thinks that there has been a hysterical response to the events in France ... Hysterical in what way ? have we nuked a city ? no .