Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Manuel,

First DYOH.

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or resentment, you may wonder if that is not now synonymous with an unwillingness to shoulder blame for one's own actions (or inactions)"

They are not synonymous but may be associated and the when the first may generate the latter, especially if the person concerned feels powerless.

In that position that "person" may be inclined to act out as can be seen.

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I think Corbyn is considering "reasonable" and "proportional" force in response to provocation, or insult.

That doesn't preclude violent response when thought "justifiable".

That seems perfectly reasonable.

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Stan,

I am trying my best to help some of them!

I guess the Paris police could have waited until the terrorists had shot everyone at the concert hall and then reasoned with them and persuaded them not to blow themselves up. If that is our policy then my vote goes to Corbyn to be the reasonable person to negotiate with them.

Hays,

Pop down to TPHQ and ask Lynton for a better line!

Jeremy Corbyn: I'm awaiting an explanation for why Jihadi John was killed

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn has suggested he WOULDN'T have ordered the killing of the depraved Islamic State (ISIS) murderer dubbed 'Jihadi John'.

Jeremy Corbyn accepts shoot-to-kill policy after Labour MPs savage his opposition

Labour leader's spectacular U-turn after earlier saying he is 'not happy' with shoot-to-kill policy if terrorists were loose in the UK

Jeremy Corbyn has said that he would authorise the use of lethal force against terrorists in a Paris-style attack, marking a dramatic reversal of his earlier opposition to David Cameron's shoot-to-kill policy.

The Labour leader had been openly challenged by his own shadow foreign secretary after saying he is not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in the event of terrorist attacks on Britain’s streets.

Indeed Fred, unfortunately most of the noise from them is based on knee-jerk short term reactive behaviour (bit like some young kids).. however I wish you every success in your endeavours.

Here is a truly excellent, very interesting and explanatory article:

What ISIS really wants

The last dying thoes of the left.

Corbyn
A Shadow minister has told the BBC: “I am trying to respect the mandate he has but I felt physically sick, I just couldn’t stand it. He is not fit to be our leader or in any senior position in this country”.

H/S when was the last time you bought a share?

Which Shadow Minister.

George Osborne, after his next budget or Lynton Crosby?

as i have oft written, i'ld be very pleased indeed to see a credible opposition with a credible leader
sorry to say, but by any stretch of the imagination, corbyn cannot be deemed credible, let alone a potential pm

he is totally risible, clearly living in some cloud-cuckoo land ...... i'm afraid it will be quickly shown that he has lost much if not all of the public support that he will have picked up at his election as leader of the labour party

no doubt the socialist workers party and similar will claim it's all lies concocted by those evil media barons

I'll say it again ....


A bit like some of the hysterical responses to the "atrocities" in France.......

TYPICAL FRED QUOTE .... 130 people massacred and Fred thinks wanting to wipe out the terrorist group responsible is a hysterical response , f.....g unbelievable .

Come on H/S, answer the question (as Alf so frequently says) -):

Oi' Jim, you got tourette's ?

We are in this together >>>>PAIN.........

Russia, France Begin Cooperating On Syria As Kerry Ups Ante
Tue, 17th Nov 2015 14:58

Moscow/ISTANBUL (Alliance News) - Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his military Tuesday to cooperate with France as an ally in a joint anti-terrorism operation in Syria.

The news comes as US Secretary of State John Kerry said a "major effort" against the Islamic State extremist group is in motion and that the US, along with Turkey, will work to shut off the border in northern Syria, which the extremist group controls.

"The entire border of northern Syria, 75% of it has been shut off. And we are entering an operation with the Turks to shut off the other remaining 98 kilometres," Kerry said in an interview with broadcaster CNN.

"We are engaged in thickening our presence in Incirlik, more people flying more missions," Kerry adds, referring to a key airbase in southern Turkey, used by the anti-Islamic State coalition to fly sorties in territory held by Islamic State.

When asked if terrorist attacks such as the ones in Paris on Friday were the new normal, Kerry said: "Absolutely not, no. This is not normal, it will not be normal and will not become normal. This is an aberration."

The French Defence Ministry Tuesday reported airstrikes against the Islamic State terrorist organization overnight Tuesday in Syria. It was the country's second round of airstrikes since Friday's terrorist bombings in Paris, for which Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

Ten planes took off from bases in Jordan and the Persian Gulf and dropped a total of 16 bombs on an Islamic State command centre and a training ground, the ministry said in a statement.

In the first operation the previous night, French forces dropped 20 bombs and destroyed a commando position where munitions were stored and another training camp for terrorists.

The airstrikes are retaliation for the November 13 attacks on Paris, which have killed 129 people and for which the Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

In a Monday speech to parliament, President Francois Hollande said his country intended to "destroy" the terrorist organization and was going to "intensify" the raids.

Hollande said French strike capacity would "triple" as of Thursday, when the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier will be moved to the eastern Mediterranean.

No Stan but we do need to know that Fred thinks that there has been a hysterical response to the events in France ... Hysterical in what way ? have we nuked a city ? no .

don't be silly;
fred never divulges what he thinks, and that assumes he has even worked out a position lest it comes back to bite him

fred wants to bide his time - aka admit to nothing - so he can slag off everyone else whatever their stance

One thing I learnt long ago was never gives clowns the privilege of my time. And we have two noteables on here. Like their cheer leader Kevin Maguire. All snorts, jeering and miserable faces. Never give any answers or solutions. Just questions or snide comments. Why was national service abolished? Used to make men of at least some of these jerks.

If you guys read the article at the link in my post 64743, you will see that ISIL, which is a 'caliphate', has to operate as, and can only operate as, a territory.

Destroy the territory and you do shut ISIL down.

However, having done that, there is still a problem which the article discusses in some detail.....

The foreign fighters (and their wives and children) who have been traveling to the caliphate on one-way tickets: they want to live under true Sharia, and many want martyrdom. Doctrine requires believers to reside in the caliphate if it is at all possible for them to do so.

One of the Islamic State’s less bloody videos shows a group of jihadists burning their French, British, and Australian passports. This would be an eccentric act for someone intending to return to, say blow himself up in line at the Louvre or to hold another chocolate shop hostage in Sydney.

A few “lone wolf” supporters of the Islamic State have attacked Western targets, and more attacks will come. But most of the attackers have been frustrated amateurs, unable to immigrate to the caliphate because of confiscated passports or other problems.

Even if the Islamic State cheers these attacks—and it does in its propaganda—it hasn’t yet planned and financed one (that we know of). (The Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris in January was principally an al‑Qaeda operation.) Importantly, jihadists seem to regard returnees not as soldiers but as dropouts. “The fact is that the returnees from the Islamic State should repent from their return,” he said. “I hope they review their religion.”

So are the lone wolves actually ISIL members?

Now it just may well be, that they are not.

Hmmm?

Do have a read at the article and see what you conclude from it.

EL - IS may not be self-financing other than through oil smuggling, but there's a ton of money being channeled to them from saudi and other gulf state sympathisers