Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Here is a truly excellent, very interesting and explanatory article:

What ISIS really wants

The last dying thoes of the left.

Corbyn
A Shadow minister has told the BBC: “I am trying to respect the mandate he has but I felt physically sick, I just couldn’t stand it. He is not fit to be our leader or in any senior position in this country”.

H/S when was the last time you bought a share?

Which Shadow Minister.

George Osborne, after his next budget or Lynton Crosby?

as i have oft written, i'ld be very pleased indeed to see a credible opposition with a credible leader
sorry to say, but by any stretch of the imagination, corbyn cannot be deemed credible, let alone a potential pm

he is totally risible, clearly living in some cloud-cuckoo land ...... i'm afraid it will be quickly shown that he has lost much if not all of the public support that he will have picked up at his election as leader of the labour party

no doubt the socialist workers party and similar will claim it's all lies concocted by those evil media barons

I'll say it again ....


A bit like some of the hysterical responses to the "atrocities" in France.......

TYPICAL FRED QUOTE .... 130 people massacred and Fred thinks wanting to wipe out the terrorist group responsible is a hysterical response , f.....g unbelievable .

Come on H/S, answer the question (as Alf so frequently says) -):

Oi' Jim, you got tourette's ?

We are in this together >>>>PAIN.........

Russia, France Begin Cooperating On Syria As Kerry Ups Ante
Tue, 17th Nov 2015 14:58

Moscow/ISTANBUL (Alliance News) - Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his military Tuesday to cooperate with France as an ally in a joint anti-terrorism operation in Syria.

The news comes as US Secretary of State John Kerry said a "major effort" against the Islamic State extremist group is in motion and that the US, along with Turkey, will work to shut off the border in northern Syria, which the extremist group controls.

"The entire border of northern Syria, 75% of it has been shut off. And we are entering an operation with the Turks to shut off the other remaining 98 kilometres," Kerry said in an interview with broadcaster CNN.

"We are engaged in thickening our presence in Incirlik, more people flying more missions," Kerry adds, referring to a key airbase in southern Turkey, used by the anti-Islamic State coalition to fly sorties in territory held by Islamic State.

When asked if terrorist attacks such as the ones in Paris on Friday were the new normal, Kerry said: "Absolutely not, no. This is not normal, it will not be normal and will not become normal. This is an aberration."

The French Defence Ministry Tuesday reported airstrikes against the Islamic State terrorist organization overnight Tuesday in Syria. It was the country's second round of airstrikes since Friday's terrorist bombings in Paris, for which Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

Ten planes took off from bases in Jordan and the Persian Gulf and dropped a total of 16 bombs on an Islamic State command centre and a training ground, the ministry said in a statement.

In the first operation the previous night, French forces dropped 20 bombs and destroyed a commando position where munitions were stored and another training camp for terrorists.

The airstrikes are retaliation for the November 13 attacks on Paris, which have killed 129 people and for which the Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

In a Monday speech to parliament, President Francois Hollande said his country intended to "destroy" the terrorist organization and was going to "intensify" the raids.

Hollande said French strike capacity would "triple" as of Thursday, when the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier will be moved to the eastern Mediterranean.

No Stan but we do need to know that Fred thinks that there has been a hysterical response to the events in France ... Hysterical in what way ? have we nuked a city ? no .

don't be silly;
fred never divulges what he thinks, and that assumes he has even worked out a position lest it comes back to bite him

fred wants to bide his time - aka admit to nothing - so he can slag off everyone else whatever their stance

One thing I learnt long ago was never gives clowns the privilege of my time. And we have two noteables on here. Like their cheer leader Kevin Maguire. All snorts, jeering and miserable faces. Never give any answers or solutions. Just questions or snide comments. Why was national service abolished? Used to make men of at least some of these jerks.

If you guys read the article at the link in my post 64743, you will see that ISIL, which is a 'caliphate', has to operate as, and can only operate as, a territory.

Destroy the territory and you do shut ISIL down.

However, having done that, there is still a problem which the article discusses in some detail.....

The foreign fighters (and their wives and children) who have been traveling to the caliphate on one-way tickets: they want to live under true Sharia, and many want martyrdom. Doctrine requires believers to reside in the caliphate if it is at all possible for them to do so.

One of the Islamic State’s less bloody videos shows a group of jihadists burning their French, British, and Australian passports. This would be an eccentric act for someone intending to return to, say blow himself up in line at the Louvre or to hold another chocolate shop hostage in Sydney.

A few “lone wolf” supporters of the Islamic State have attacked Western targets, and more attacks will come. But most of the attackers have been frustrated amateurs, unable to immigrate to the caliphate because of confiscated passports or other problems.

Even if the Islamic State cheers these attacks—and it does in its propaganda—it hasn’t yet planned and financed one (that we know of). (The Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris in January was principally an al‑Qaeda operation.) Importantly, jihadists seem to regard returnees not as soldiers but as dropouts. “The fact is that the returnees from the Islamic State should repent from their return,” he said. “I hope they review their religion.”

So are the lone wolves actually ISIL members?

Now it just may well be, that they are not.

Hmmm?

Do have a read at the article and see what you conclude from it.

EL - IS may not be self-financing other than through oil smuggling, but there's a ton of money being channeled to them from saudi and other gulf state sympathisers

JEREMY CORBYN!


THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING! LOL!!!

One thing , I just hope is that the last army to confront them will be the Kurds because there won't be any prisoners I'm sure .

As most of you RWR's have advocated bombing as your first response to the Friday13th killings, how many of you have family in the armed forces at the moment? Just curious.

Mass graves of women 'too old to be Isil sex slaves' - this is what we're up against
As the world prayed for Paris, more than three thousand miles east another atrocity was being uncovered in Iraq - two mass graves containing the bodies of older Yazidi women. Sophy Ridge explains why we can't ignore them

By Sophy Ridge, Sky News political correspondent2:22PM GMT 17 Nov 2015 Comments148 Comments
In the desert dust of Sinjar, in north west Iraq, a walking stick lies on the ground.
Strewn casually alongside it are a couple of pairs of scissors, some household keys and a shoe. Bank notes flutter in the dirt.
But, if you look a little closer, the scene becomes a horror show. Clumps of hair and fragments of bone poke grotesquely out of the ditch. It is estimated that almost 80 women are buried in this mass grave, aged between 40 and 80-years-old. The bodies are of Yazidi women, murdered by Islamic State butchers.
As the world prayed for Paris, more than three thousand miles east another atrocity was being uncovered.

Last week Kurdish forces – backed by British and American air strikes – liberated Sinjar from Islamic State militants, along with 28 other villages.
They discovered two graves. The first – containing the corpses of older women – was found west of the city’s centre, near the Sinjar Technical Institute. The second was ten miles west, and is believed to contain men, women and children. It is rigged with explosives and deliberately difficult to access.
The Kurdish government team will analyse the bodies in an attempt to uncover the grim story of what happened here.
But let’s be frank: it is not difficult to guess.
Over the past year, Islamic State forces have kidnapped thousands of young Yazidi women to use as sex slaves. Now we know what happened to those not deemed ‘attractive enough’ for them.


French President Francois Hollande has called the sickening atrocities carried out in Paris “an act of war” committed by Isil.
But for the Yazidis, persecuted in Iraq, this is not just a war. It has all the marks of genocide.
Reading about what happened to the Yazidis is difficult. At a time when the west is still mourning the victims of the co-ordinated terror attacks in Paris, more horrific news can seem too much to bear.
But the massacre of the Yazidis cannot be ignored if the true nature of the enemy in Hollande’s ‘war’ is to be understood

The Yazidis are a religious sect whose faith incorporates parts of several ancient Middle Eastern religions. To Isil, they are 'devil worshippers' – the lowest of the low – who should be either killed or enslaved.
In August 2014 the militants overran Yazidi territory in Sinjar and began killing and kidnapping thousands of men, women and children. The United Nations has already acknowledged that what happened in those dark days may be considered genocide.
In the village of Kocho, Isil militants gave the inhabitants a deadline by which to convert to Islam. If they refused, they would die.
Hundreds of men and boys were slaughtered; many killed by point-blank shots to the head or were pushed off cliffs. More than a thousand women and girls were kidnapped. The brutal sexual violence against these women and girls – passed around by Isil fighters – has been well documented.


Last year, one 17-year-old girl, part of a group of about 40 Yazidi women who were still being held captive and sexually abused on a daily basis by Isil fighters, told how they were raped on the top floor of the building, up to three times a day, by different groups of men.
"Our torturers do not even spare the women who have small children with them. "Nor do they spare the girls - some of our group are not even 13 years old. Some of them will no longer say a word."
Now, another chilling part of the picture has been filled in: what happened to the older women.
After a two day offensive to recapture Sinjar, last Friday, Kurdish forces were met by young Yazidi women who had somehow managed to escape the clutches of the Isil kidnappers. They led their liberators to ditches containing the bodies of their mothers and grandmothers.


According to the survivors, these older women were taken behind the technical institute in the Solagh area, east of Sinjar. After a pause, gunfire was heard.
The belongings scattered by the dusty mass grave in Sinjar show this is no ordinary war. Elderly women who use walking sticks are not soldiers.
Islamic State’s attitude to women has been brutally laid bare in its division of the Yazidis into those who were young and beautiful enough to rape, and those who were not. Mothers and grandmothers who seemingly could not command a price in the sex market (reportedly a 'packet of cigarettes') were simply slaughtered.
It's hard to imagine women being reduced to pieces of meat in a more savage manner.

My son is in the RAF Stan. And I am very proud of him. Just saying.

Thanks CC, anyone else have family in the Forces?