Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Mass graves of women 'too old to be Isil sex slaves' - this is what we're up against
As the world prayed for Paris, more than three thousand miles east another atrocity was being uncovered in Iraq - two mass graves containing the bodies of older Yazidi women. Sophy Ridge explains why we can't ignore them

By Sophy Ridge, Sky News political correspondent2:22PM GMT 17 Nov 2015 Comments148 Comments
In the desert dust of Sinjar, in north west Iraq, a walking stick lies on the ground.
Strewn casually alongside it are a couple of pairs of scissors, some household keys and a shoe. Bank notes flutter in the dirt.
But, if you look a little closer, the scene becomes a horror show. Clumps of hair and fragments of bone poke grotesquely out of the ditch. It is estimated that almost 80 women are buried in this mass grave, aged between 40 and 80-years-old. The bodies are of Yazidi women, murdered by Islamic State butchers.
As the world prayed for Paris, more than three thousand miles east another atrocity was being uncovered.

Last week Kurdish forces – backed by British and American air strikes – liberated Sinjar from Islamic State militants, along with 28 other villages.
They discovered two graves. The first – containing the corpses of older women – was found west of the city’s centre, near the Sinjar Technical Institute. The second was ten miles west, and is believed to contain men, women and children. It is rigged with explosives and deliberately difficult to access.
The Kurdish government team will analyse the bodies in an attempt to uncover the grim story of what happened here.
But let’s be frank: it is not difficult to guess.
Over the past year, Islamic State forces have kidnapped thousands of young Yazidi women to use as sex slaves. Now we know what happened to those not deemed ‘attractive enough’ for them.


French President Francois Hollande has called the sickening atrocities carried out in Paris “an act of war” committed by Isil.
But for the Yazidis, persecuted in Iraq, this is not just a war. It has all the marks of genocide.
Reading about what happened to the Yazidis is difficult. At a time when the west is still mourning the victims of the co-ordinated terror attacks in Paris, more horrific news can seem too much to bear.
But the massacre of the Yazidis cannot be ignored if the true nature of the enemy in Hollande’s ‘war’ is to be understood

The Yazidis are a religious sect whose faith incorporates parts of several ancient Middle Eastern religions. To Isil, they are 'devil worshippers' – the lowest of the low – who should be either killed or enslaved.
In August 2014 the militants overran Yazidi territory in Sinjar and began killing and kidnapping thousands of men, women and children. The United Nations has already acknowledged that what happened in those dark days may be considered genocide.
In the village of Kocho, Isil militants gave the inhabitants a deadline by which to convert to Islam. If they refused, they would die.
Hundreds of men and boys were slaughtered; many killed by point-blank shots to the head or were pushed off cliffs. More than a thousand women and girls were kidnapped. The brutal sexual violence against these women and girls – passed around by Isil fighters – has been well documented.


Last year, one 17-year-old girl, part of a group of about 40 Yazidi women who were still being held captive and sexually abused on a daily basis by Isil fighters, told how they were raped on the top floor of the building, up to three times a day, by different groups of men.
"Our torturers do not even spare the women who have small children with them. "Nor do they spare the girls - some of our group are not even 13 years old. Some of them will no longer say a word."
Now, another chilling part of the picture has been filled in: what happened to the older women.
After a two day offensive to recapture Sinjar, last Friday, Kurdish forces were met by young Yazidi women who had somehow managed to escape the clutches of the Isil kidnappers. They led their liberators to ditches containing the bodies of their mothers and grandmothers.


According to the survivors, these older women were taken behind the technical institute in the Solagh area, east of Sinjar. After a pause, gunfire was heard.
The belongings scattered by the dusty mass grave in Sinjar show this is no ordinary war. Elderly women who use walking sticks are not soldiers.
Islamic State’s attitude to women has been brutally laid bare in its division of the Yazidis into those who were young and beautiful enough to rape, and those who were not. Mothers and grandmothers who seemingly could not command a price in the sex market (reportedly a 'packet of cigarettes') were simply slaughtered.
It's hard to imagine women being reduced to pieces of meat in a more savage manner.

My son is in the RAF Stan. And I am very proud of him. Just saying.

Thanks CC, anyone else have family in the Forces?

stan - your previous posts suggest that you do not agree with bombing IS -held towns and similar, so tell us, and exactly as i asked of fred ......

what action would you support as of NOW?

Not seen all the proposals by our Government but I do not advocate bombing anyone right now.

stan - stop weaseling ....... i'll ask again ......

if you do not support the bombing, what action would you support as of NOW - ie to be taken (effectively) immediately and not in several months or years down the road?

Who do you think you are Alf ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bamber_Gascoigne.JPG

I think a few of you should form an advisory committee for Cameron.

God knows he needs someone to help him.

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I wonder how many of you thought the Iraq war was sensible.

Of course, you were led by the nose into it, by Bush, Blair and IDS.

(Can you remember Iain Duncan Smith doing a hop step and jump down Downing Street with the information clutched under his arm?)

Wasn't he a tory leader?


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Why has that turned into a fiasco?

What was the price?



What are the similarities to the present conflict?

How do you get a better result?


What are you preparing for?

Who will be in assault group?

What will be your reparation?

Which of the innocent bystanders which may be killed do you compensate in the area


How do repair that country when a large percentage of the population may hate you?

Think before you leap and look what the landing maybe like and prepare for it.

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At the moment there is a lot of mouth and little thought by some of you.

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Putin has said WE will find them in any corner of the earth.

Whose we and how many corners are there?

JB.

I do hope you are volunteering to wash the blood away after the bombing, or will you just spend tine washing your hands?

Afterwards, perhaps, you can adopt and orphan or two.

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Ps.

If you don't understand the meaning of hysterical, look it up!

STAN - i know who i am and i know that, as requested by (your) guru fred i set out clearly what i thought would happen, and by intimation, was happy to support that

so, i equally know that the question i asked you was eminently fair ....... why would you think it not? .......; or is it that, like fred, you're afraid of committing to anything lest it comes back to bite you and meanwhile leaves you able to crtiticise everyone else, or so you think?

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FRED - there's an awful lot of mouth from you too, but merely in hysterical criticism of others

nowhere that i have seen have you set out clearly what action you would propose or support to be taken NOW = as of this instant, and not in months or years down the line, nor some fantasy that UN will miraculously unite within a wekk or two and come charging to the rescue like the 7th cavalry

Fred I,m wondering if you and your mate can't read or you both have extremely short memories . but I really think people are wasting their time with you both .

Manuel,

You can't be as stupid as you sometimes appear.

Give me all the facts and it would be worth attempting to form a plan of action?

Unfortunately, decisions have to made without full knowledge of the possible consequences, but a "sane" government would considering the aftermath.

I know you are getting old, but ask your carer to give you another sedative.

You have my answer Alf it's just that you don't like it.. well that's just tough cheese you consistent Muppet -):

Victim,

There is a squelch button.

I won't feel a anything!

Who said that .

First person i have ever squelched ,thanks Fred ,it must mean that i won't have to scroll through those huge cartoons every day , but more important than that i don't have to read total ignorant shit any more .

Tut tut James.

STAN - i see no response from you whatsoever other than you don't support the bombing
my question is what would you support; or are you just going to continue being a weasel?

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FRED - you of course are just as much of a weasel - or worse ...... you wanted me to say what i would support, and i answered that
you, on the other hand, want to sit and sit and sit and sit, pretending that you need to know "all the facts" before you can make any decision .......
oh hahahaha! ...... i doubt that even your bosom-buddy corbyn will be told all the facts as i'm sure he's rightly regarded as a security risk

we don't even have all the facts with regard to many actions in WW2 either!

I forgot Fred that the kids have been out of school for a few hours now.