Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

chuckle chuckle

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Lordy, lordy, you have posted something interesting.

Keep it up or perhaps not!

JEZZA JEZZA JEZZA JEZZA !!!!!!!! :0)

Wavey Dave is dithering again.

Put is right foot in, take his right foot out and vote it all about?

A man of political conviction!

for myself, i am very happy that we should accept syrian refugees, always provided they come direct from the camps in/around syria where they can be vetted with at least some degree of effectiveness

how many?
not sure ..... 1,000,000? not likely! ...... 20,000 over 4 years? sounds a bit paltry but care needs to be taken about the "creep" of then allowing in extended family members

Forget about 20k over 4 years. 1 over 100 years would be 1 too many!

ooh hilary don't let Fred hear you say that ..

Why would I worry about what that boring old fart thinks, Jimbo?

i'm amazed you should have that view hilary
why?

Because they're not the UK's problem, Cyners, nor mainland Europe's for that matter. If they want to blow themselves up, that's fine by me, but they've got their own country/countries within which to do it.

Personally, I'd put them all on a ship and tow it back to North Africa.

I got to say i agree with hilary ...

Trust me because of Merkel and the amount who went to Germany there is a lot more bloodshed to come .

I suppose the French police could have reasoned with her and tried to uncouple the belt she was wearing ..
Fred would have had the guts to do that..
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Two suspected jihadists were killed, including a woman who blew herself up, in a shootout Wednesday in north Paris with police hunting the mastermind of last week's attacks on the French capital, sources said.
As troops patrolled the streets, heavily-armed police swapped gunfire with people holed up in an apartment in the suburb of Saint-Denis, police sources said.
Two people in the apartment were killed, including a woman who blew herself up, and a third was still inside, and at least three police were injured, they said.
Two arrests were made.

Hairy one,

What are the tax regulations like in Austria now.

Hear the EU is trying to tighten up banking supervision.

Perhaps, they may not want you back in the Uk when the rules are changed.

Just a thought.

Completely mad as usual.

Manuel.

Wavy Dave was magnificent at PMQs.

LOL

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Just another thought.

Manuel,
I would implement actions to "observe" cross-border movements of individuals and vehicles and "investigate" any "abnormality" perceived, and to be able to intervene with the necessary force if required.

How effective such action would be is debatable, but it may reduce the “weaponry” and “personal” possibly flowing into the country.

I would implement viewing of money flowing in and out of this country to all parties, which might be informative, also view the flow of money in the UK.

I would accept internet surveillance under suitable Judicial supervision.
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I would resort to the UN.

I would attempt to form an acceptable body to discuss, consider and formulate a policy acceptable to a "majority" within it, to firstly restrict ISIS and then other such groups and sanctify and ratify any actions proposed. Then to try to come to an honest exchange of information and activities of groups with alien philosophies.
(I would propose removal of the veto, if only for the present “crisis”.)

I would advocate formation of a fully armed UN International Intervention Military and Police Force with the necessary “force” capable of “policing" and removing" removal of the perpetrators of such actions, as have recently occurred and others endangering the public in general.

I would hope a united and coordinated universally accept plan to restrict or reduce the “terrorists, financiers and adherents. That may need isolating certain countries economically and restricting the movement of individuals in and out of transgressing countries.

(The plan has to be acceptable to and accepted by the majority of existing world governments.)

(Similar to what is happening now were considered possible 50 -100 even more years ago in fiction. Perhaps, some should have thought a little about what they read and scoffed at then.)

Perhaps, these present events may introduce a sensible re-appraisable of the international situation in general realising what effects one country effects all.
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That is enough for Manuel to chew on for the moment and give him a chance to recall.

Re
No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
John Donne
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PS.

Just remembered Wavy Dave is trying to do some of the above, but promises to take his balls away if he doesn't get the response he wants.

He also wants to be King of the Castle and direct other country's men on the ground
from his playground in No 10.. But George is in the sand pit throwing sand into his eyes.

hilary - in this instance, there are genuine and worthy political refugees effectively being forced out of syria through no fault of their own

you may have missed that i also said uk was absolutely right to accept only refugees direct from the syrian camps, who could thus be vetted with a fair degree of effectiveness, and NOT those who had somehow got themselves into europe by other means - far too dangerous, as has just been shown

what you have written, though i hope it is not so, you have no sympathy whatsoever for any political refugees regardless of circumstance
is that indeed your stance?

France Asks European Partners to Join Attacks on ISIS in Syria

French invoke EU constitution clause calling on member countries to aid fellow member country undergoing ‘armed aggression.’

France has invoked the clause in the European Union constitution obligating the other EU member countries to come to the aid of a member who is a target of “armed aggression.” Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian invoked the clause Tuesday, in the wake of Friday’s terror attacks on Paris, at a meeting of EU defense ministers

i wonder if the french have done their homework with the rest of eu prior to issuing this call to arms

time will tell, and not far into the future either

The financial woes of cash-strapped UKIP have been doing the rounds for a while, and now we know why. The party took just £49,334 in donations in the last quarter, as Arron Banks’ money goes towards the Leave.EU campaign instead. Insiders tell Guido that the party still owes Facebook £80,000 for advertising during the election and they haven’t got the money to pay. Staff have been sacked as economies have had to be made.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/france-invokes-eu-article-427-what-does-it-mean

France has taken the European Union into uncharted territory by obliging the other 27 member states to come to its defence following the terrorist atrocities in Paris.

Invoking article 42.7, a never used clause of the EU treaty triggering mutual defence among the 28 member states, Paris admitted it was struggling to cope with its foreign military commitments while beefing up security at home in the wake of the attacks, and asked the rest of Europe to come to its assistance.

The request was supported unanimously in what Jean-Yves Le Drian, the French defence minister, described as an emotional and highly charged meeting of EU defence ministers in Brussels.