Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred

Re "Distraction from argument" - what exactly is your argument?

Perhaps you can set it out clearly - you've been banging on about all sorts of different topics, and as soon as the inevitable happens and each argument is destroyed you move onto something different.

I think you're trying to say that you abhor the violence and destruction in the middle east and it should stop immediately. If that's it then I expect everyone here would agree with you. I certainly would. But that's all violence - the invasion *AND* the rockets. If the rockets were to be given up peaceably then that would be an end to the crisis - there is no question that Israel would immediately withdraw. However, Hamas are not giving up any rockets, and so the job the Israelis are doing must be finished to meet the stated objective - ie peace for all. Until the next time.

By arguing in favoor of one side or the other only helps to perpetuate the argument, as we said before ignore them and when the money runs out an ageement will be achieved.

and the lion shall lie down with the lamb!

cynic are you quoting from somewhere?

Yes, I wish for a non-violent settlement in the Middle East. One, which is fair to both sides.

If Hamas gives up its Rockets, will Israel give up it Nuclear Weapons and its rockets?

Will they adhere to the various United Nations mandates, which they have ignored over the last 20-30 years?

Will they allow a Palestinian to become self-governing viable state with free borders and access to the Med?

Will they restore land confiscated from the Palestinians?

Will it pay for the restoration of the infrastructure, which it has destroyed in Gaza?


My feelings are the Hamas rockets into Israel are an attempt to get the attention of the world to the ongoing abuses by Israel. I dont condone the actions but I understand the motivation and the frustration that the Palestinians have.

These are some of the points, which are being ignored.


I dont have any easy solution to the problem, but the present actions of Israel will not lead to a resolution, only prolong the trouble.

Just one more point Gauzie, the job must be finished. That seems to me to be the mind set of Hitler after Stalingrad.

it's actually a misquotation from Isaiah, but it's the one everyone knows - wrongly!

Martini

Bring me to the next Birmingham meet.

G

Agree with Fred's last post...

If there is NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE......

Agree with Fred's last post...

If there is NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE...... I wonder when Israel will realise this, or if they want to !!

Does he owe me a pint? Can't remember. If so I will try and be there.

Why would Israel give up it's nuclear weapons? Why should Isreal give up its nuclear weapons?

Why shouldn't Iran, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Libya develop Nuclear weapons etc.. Are these countries less civilised than Israel or America?

Is Israel the new super nation?

Fred1new ....would you like to see those countries all have the atomic bomb ? There are far too many countries with that capability......and the risks that the unthinkable could happen increases, let's be fair and say that those countries do not need such a burden and a burden it would become in the hands of unstable and unreliable governments !, if Hamas stop firing rockets and promise some peace then the madness will stop and the Israelis might be more inclined to help their present foes !.

RF. No I would prefer a world without Nuclear Weapons. Unlikely to ever occur. But I have never understood, why the big boys should have catapults and I couldn't.

This represents to me racial or even religious superiority, which is part of the problem in the Middle East and many other places. It is an arrogant position.

This represents to me racial or even religious superiority, which is part of the problem in the Middle East and many other places.

that is a ridiculous statement ..... that said, knowledge can never be unlearnt, so i guess the logic is along the lines of trying to shut Pandora's Box .... of course, there is a very real logic and fear that an unstable country (iran? pakistan? north korea?) is all too likely to cause the rest of the world to reap the whirlwind that "they" sowed in a moment of madness

Well, only country to have used nuclear weapons has been America. They are also the only ones to have threatened their use again (in recent times). So they should be top of list when talking about 'unstable countries'.

lol - here we go. Wondered when the anti-american slogans would start to be wheeled out.

This thread is not about the current conflict at all. It's the standard islamic fundamentalist anti west nonsense that we see all the time.

Any other flags you fancy burning whilst you're at it Princess_zubi?

HI JUST LIKE TO SAY(THAT ISRAEL AND THE U.S.A ARE DEMOCRACTIC THE REST OF THE LOT ARE NOT?? IN FACT ISRAEL IS MORE DEMOCRATIC THAN THE U.K??

Gausie are you following the news in the papers, journals TV. Radio broadcasting Over seas broadcasts, Internet information services etc.

The general opinion seems to differ from yours.

Maybe, You are obtaining your information from your own propaganda services of disinformation.

I thought better of both of you.

This represents to me racial or even religious superiority, which is part of the problem in the Middle East and many other places. It is an arrogant position.

My word, what a totally idiotic comment. Why do you start these threads Fred with your bigoted one sided views only to eventually make an utter fool of yourself?
You unravel everytime.