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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil - 15 Mar 2017 07:59 - 6522 of 12628

I agree George , Wales would probably vote them out too as they get a better funding deal from Westminster than we do.

Maybe we should have a referendum on whether or not to let her have another referendum in Scotland.

2517GEORGE - 15 Mar 2017 10:03 - 6523 of 12628

Sorry Dil I should have included Wales and N. Ireland of course.

required field - 15 Mar 2017 10:49 - 6524 of 12628

Teresa May has no alternative but to decline any possibility of another referendum about Scottish independence because of the enormous implications with brexit being implemented : the scots made the decision a few years ago to remain in the UK !....you cannot have referendums at the drop of a hat...chaos would ensue as we are now in the process of leaving the EU and we can't have regional differences overriding the economic safety of the whole country...Nicola Sturgeon should read the terms and conditions pamphlet again about these referendums...it seens the SNP are not prepared to accept the fact that they lost the referendum to becoming independent.....in any case a new Scottish referendum cannot even be considered until 2022 or 2023 at the very earliest...amen....

VICTIM - 15 Mar 2017 11:36 - 6525 of 12628

She's playing dirty , justifying her position , and steering away from her proper problems in Scotland . She apparently tweeted last night that she was elected to her position and May wasn't , which i think is balls because you elect a party not a leader .

grannyboy - 15 Mar 2017 12:02 - 6526 of 12628

Its all coming home to roost...The tory MP for South Thanet is under police caution
the establishment did every thing they could to stop Nigel Farage getting elected,
Now lets see justice done and these corrupt feckers sent to prison..

Where is Haystack to report on these developments?..

VICTIM - 15 Mar 2017 12:08 - 6527 of 12628

Maybe part of it , joking of course but he's gone quiet for a while .

Dil - 19 Mar 2017 12:23 - 6528 of 12628

May should press the Brexit button tomorrow and get on with leaving and ignore that idiot north of the border who is intent on destroying Scotland.

Go on Teresa you know you want to.

ExecLine - 19 Mar 2017 14:39 - 6529 of 12628

May should have done what our hero, Nigel Farage, told her to do, namely" 'Get on with it! Do it now!'

Instead, by delaying things, hoping to get a better 'whatever', all the 'Remainers', including the likes of Nicola Sturgeon, 27 other EU member states and even Peers in the House of Lords, have all been given time to organise tons and tons of disruptive problems, all with a view to frustrating the entire Article 50 process.

cynic - 19 Mar 2017 16:31 - 6530 of 12628

HoL is patently NOT "frustrating the entire Article 50 process"
fortunately, HoL has a solid core of members who genuinely care about what is best and quite rightly, will often ask the gov't of any hue to reconsider

VICTIM - 20 Mar 2017 11:45 - 6531 of 12628

There we are next Wednesday 29th , is the day of official Article 50 start .

grannyboy - 20 Mar 2017 12:46 - 6532 of 12628

I'd have prefered this Wednesday...but hey ho!!

hangon - 20 Mar 2017 16:29 - 6533 of 12628

cynic I read what you say, but IMHO all the Remoners ( well, many...) have a vested interest....like those few/many in the HoL with EU-benefits/Pensions . . . which have the provision that they are lost ( So I read, elsewhere) if they promote anything against the EU..... THAT is almost the opposite of a Democratic Institution . . . and I'm surprised that the HoL ever allowed it to permeate their Institution.

-in answer to other aspects of Postings here.... I don't know what lies ahead . . . World Events are unpredictable . . . so nothing can be certain . . . except we (David Cameron MP) were sent packing when we raised the issue of "Borders" . . . . I must declare I have no-problem with foreign Surgeons, Midwives, Engineers and similar, entering the UK, provided they agree to Work and Behave themselves.
Where I have issues is the multitudes of average-folk that don't appear to be doing anything useful, yet who swamp our townships, schools and NHS to the extent that some English Folks say they feel "second class" - as Officialdom is gradually biased against ( so these folks believe!) the peoples that made Britain Great - in the first place.

There are several Policicos ( like Tony Blair [wash my mouth].), who may (since I cannot know), be more interested in their Political Revival . . . and see the EU are a suitable intercontinental missile to hang onto..... as it reaches for Global Power.

Sadly the many in UK that see the EU rather differently, are watching in amazement as the EU refuses to adapt to new situations . . . the Migrant-Crisis being just one that's been prominent . . . .
The EU has brought many benefits . . . . "Standards" springs to mind . . . but in a Modern World of TRADE, these are likely to be beneficial to all - so it isn't ONLY the EU that could have done this....rather that no-one else wanted to be embroiled . . . . one wonders what our own BSI actually does, other than correct spelling mistakes.
There are areas where the EU has failed to be an influence, yet I'm unaware of any Official method for pursuing my ideas . . . so I guess others don't either.

The EU is in a great state of change ( but NOT in Brussels naturally ), maybe caused by past policies involving Manufacture . . . some of our own capacity has moved to impoverished Countries, so I'm guessing we and the Italians (=Fiat) are not alone in this "meddling" - Sadly the Italians/Greeks/Spanish/Portuguese have suffered more, but appear not to attempt a "Fix" - yet "Time" and Banking may force it . . . esp. when Germany realises it is holding-up the Finances of EU, more-or-less on its own!
BREXIT:
Hoping Article 50 triggering goes ahead and the discussions can begin....ASAP
-but wonder if there are enough UK-folk with the Negotiating Skills - since the next 2-years will be new to everyone..... maybe we do need some foreign Strikers in the game.

Dil - 20 Mar 2017 20:05 - 6534 of 12628

No need to negotiate , ask the EU what it's offering and agree what's acceptable and walk away from the rest.

I'd have it all wrapped up in a week ... fortnight at most.

VICTIM - 21 Mar 2017 07:46 - 6535 of 12628

BBCs Brexit coverage pessimistic and skewed say MPs . BBC found out at last a few others too i would think .

Fred1new - 21 Mar 2017 11:52 - 6536 of 12628

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39337909

UK inflation rate leaps to 2.3%


"Rising fuel and food prices helped to push last month's inflation rate to the highest since September 2013.
Inflation as measured by the Office for National Statistics' Consumer Prices Index (CPI) jumped to 2.3% in February - up from 1.8% in January.
The increase has pushed the rate above the Bank of England's 2% target.
Food prices recorded their first annual increase for more than two-and-a-half years, standing 0.3% higher in February than a year earlier.
The Bank of England has said it expects inflation will peak at 2.8% next year, although some economists think the rate could rise above 3%.
The Brexit vote last June prompted a steep fall in the value of the pound, making imported goods more expensive.
Ben Brettell, senior economist at Hargreaves Lansdown, said the fall in the pound against the dollar had been pushing transport costs higher since last summer."


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The March has started.

2517GEORGE - 21 Mar 2017 13:09 - 6537 of 12628

Re ''The March has started''

Inflation in the UK is going to be nowhere near as damaging as it will for the Eurozone.

cynic - 21 Mar 2017 13:21 - 6538 of 12628

fred will remember well when inflation was running at about 18% in the mid/late 70s
even a decade before that, ~5% was considered the norm

Fred1new - 21 Mar 2017 13:35 - 6539 of 12628

Result of the Heath tory government?

grannyboy - 21 Mar 2017 13:50 - 6540 of 12628

Inflation in the 70's was at one time well over 20%, nothing whatsover to
crow about, but when the rate is now 2.3 and we have people moaning,
it puts it into perspective, and every time the rate comes in under 2% the
BoE have to write a letter to the exchequer explaining why.

I can't see the rate exceeding 3% unless the exchange rate falls to near parity.

cynic - 21 Mar 2017 13:56 - 6541 of 12628

slight slippage of the brain fred?

labour 1964 to 1970 and then 1974 to 1979
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