Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

‘You robots!’ The pro-Trident Labour MP who blew the SNP out of the water





By Michael Deacon, Parliamentary Sketchwriter

6:39PM GMT 24 Nov 2015



Labour MPs were ordered to abstain on this afternoon’s vote on renewing Trident. Supposedly this was because the party is reviewing its Trident policy, although, as the DUP’s Nigel Dodds reminded the Commons, this review is a total charade: given that Jeremy Corbyn has made it clear he would never launch a nuclear missile in any circumstances, Labour members arguing that their party should support Trident are wasting their time.


Well, for as long as he’s in charge, anyway.


So: forget the “review”. The real reason for ordering abstention was to avoid once again highlighting the fact that large numbers of Labour MPs disagree strongly with their leader.


Among them: John Woodcock, MP for Barrow & Furness, who spent his morning hanging a submarine-shaped pro-Trident leaflet on the door knob of every Labour MP’s parliamentary office. Also, Liz Kendall, the defeated Labour leadership candidate, who told the Commons that Trident was “vital”. (“Hear, hear!” cried Tory MPs admiringly. Her standing with the Corbynites will be even higher than ever.)



Tom Watson, deputy leader: “I think the deterrent has kept the peace in the world for half a century and I hope we can have that debate in the party”

Kevan Jones, shadow defence minister: "It would appear that as leader he is acting in the same way he was when he was on the back benches - picking and choosing what he supports"

Hilary Benn, shadow foreign secretary: "I think a British prime minister has to have that option… You have to negotiate them (an enemy) out of existence”

Maria Eagle, shadow defence secretary: “I don't think that a potential prime minister answering a question like that, in the way in which he did, is helpful”

John McDonnell, shadow chancellor: "It’s ultimately a matter of principle about the morality of using nuclear weapons, which would cause such loss of life and destruction the planet" (March 2015)


The debate had been arranged by the Scottish National Party, who – as on absolutely all issues – spoke with one voice. Or, at any rate, 50-odd identical voices.

Trident was no more than a “virility totem”, declared one.

“There is no moral, economic or military case for it,” declared another.

“It is a desperate attempt to cling to the remnants of a fading imperial past,” declared a third, or possibly one of the previous two. (Sorry, it’s so hard to tell.)

Eventually Mr Woodcock – he of the nuclear door-hangers – lost patience with them. “You robots!” he snapped.

The SNP were up in arms. “Can we have clarification,” demanded whichever one of them happened to be standing, “as to whether the charming expression ‘robots’ is parliamentary language?”

Eleanor Laing, the Deputy Speaker, considered the matter. On the whole, she decided, “robots” wasn’t necessarily derogatory – because, after all, some robots were highly advanced.

The SNP seemed unsure whether this was a compliment. Personally, I think they should take it.

“I’m happy to call them Honourable Robots,” suggested Mr Woodcock, magnanimously.

Michael Fallon, the Tory Defence Secretary, ignored the SNP altogether, and focused instead on laying into Labour. Putting Ken Livingstone in joint charge of Labour’s defence review, he boomed, was “like appointing an arsonist as the co-chief fire officer”.

This was of course deeply unfair; Mr Livingstone is no arsonist. Perhaps Mr Fallon was getting him mixed up with Mike Watson – a Labour peer who once served eight months in prison for deliberately setting fire to a hotel curtain. Mr Corbyn recently made him an education spokesman.

In the end, 20 Labour MPs ignored the order to abstain: 14 voting for Trident, six against. Next week, they’ll be ordered to vote against air strikes in Syria. David Cameron will be hoping this mini-rebellion was a warm-up

Thomas cook shares up 5p sell they are going to fall next year by 50%

thanks fred
it was albert and the lion on our record

turkey is Islamic backer buying their stolen oil turkey is a rotten disgusting country
avoid the shit hole and its foul people.
anyone taking their family to turkey must want them dead

Bit harsh that Tanks, never heard anything but glowing praise for places like Istanbul and Turkish people in general by numerous friends that have been there, that was years ago though, never been myself.

MrT makes fred look balanced!

cnbc news now talking about turkey

turkey do not want peace in Syria not my words
they say turkey is making a lot of money via the conflict
and have condemned the president
listening to the president he cares nothing for a mans life
lets hope he dies soon the man is evil

stan turkey hols they maul girls trying to feel them its not nice unless you are a slapper

stan of all my travels find peru the best then cuba turkey 1 out of 10

the only reason people go to turkey is because it is cheap but it is also nasty food second rate shit but people only look at cost . I do not above all it must be clean and good food . read reports on the real turkey hotels behind the doors you would never go

stan go to EULIRIA IN IBIZA clean and beautiful

I loved Cuba , it will probably be different now (and for the better for the people living there) but i saw the real Cuba in the 80's and 90's .
I think it will be changing very soon.

I had a chance to go to Cuba about 6 or 7 years ago but didn't, I now regret it in some ways as It is now likely to go from one extreme to another sadly, hopefully not.

Obama: What a “powerful rebuke” it will be to ISIS to hold a climate-change summit in Paris.

Right, that will have the ragheads shaking in their sandals.

The man is all pants and no trousers.

Bit like you then by the sound of things on here.

Mastermind has been let out of the secure unit again I see.

Troll alert.

I learnt a long time ago not to get involved in a pissing contest with someone who dribbles down his trousers. Now go home and behave yourself. And dont forget to take your medicine.

So you had to "learn" about "pissing contests" and "dribbling down your trousers" you also seem to have an interest in medicine intake as well.. no accounting for some peoples hobbies/tastes I suppose.