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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred1new - 05 Dec 2012 11:48 - 6526 of 6906

Cynic,

You are once again assuming too many things.

I would prefer non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.

I can understand the arguments surrounding the their "thought to be necessity" and even have some sympathy for their use in WW2.

However, I think that the possession of them by Israel allows them to behave as ME bullies.

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The old arguments for UK. France, USA to have them was based on "balance of power". I think it was an inane argument, and think at the time of the introduction of those arguments that the world was “worn out by war”, but admit that some think it stemmed the likelihood of ongoing encroachment of Europe by USSR.

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Since that time there has been a proliferation of "nuclear states". The ”good boys” have used them and are using "nuclear depleted" armaments.

Haystack - 05 Dec 2012 12:48 - 6527 of 6906

It is interesting that Israel has always refused to sign the non-proliferation treaty and continues to do so. That is hypocritical in the extreme when they say that Iran should not have nuclear weapons. Iran should say to Israel that they will not get nuclear weapons if Israel gives them up. The atomic energy authority keeps being refused inspection of Iran's facilities, but of course they also get refused permission to inspect Israel's. On that basis, I think it is only reasonable for Iran to be allowed to have the weapons as well.

Haystack - 05 Dec 2012 13:12 - 6528 of 6906

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/palestinians-to-ask-un-security-council-to-stop-2-massive-israeli-settlements-near-jerusalem/2012/12/05/615e5204-3ebd-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html

RAMALLAH, West Bank — The Palestinians will ask the U.N. Security Council to demand a halt to construction of two large Israeli settlements near Jerusalem, a senior Palestinian official said Wednesday.

The Security Council bid is part of an escalating international showdown over Israeli settlement building plans the Palestinians see as a final blow to Mideast peace hopes.

The Palestinians hope to get a binding U.N. resolution — something that would require that the U.S. does not cast a veto in the Security Council as it did nearly two years ago to shield close ally Israel from censure over the settlements.

The U.S. would have to block the construction through other means if it wants to avoid a veto, said the Palestinian official, Saeb Erekat. Israel, already increasingly isolated over its settlement policy, could flout a Security Council decision, but at a high diplomatic cost.

fahel - 05 Dec 2012 16:04 - 6529 of 6906

What do Gazans have against Israel?
http://www.nccar.ca/publications/opinion-pieces/opinion-what-do-gazans-have-against-israel/

Gausie - 05 Dec 2012 23:22 - 6530 of 6906

Haystack: "On that basis, I think it is only reasonable for Iran to be allowed to have the (nuclear) weapons as well."

Not just crazy but M&S batshit crazy.

Haystack - 05 Dec 2012 23:33 - 6531 of 6906

I don't see Iran being any more likely to use a nuclear weapon than Israel. It just suits Israel to cry wolf all the time.

Gausie - 05 Dec 2012 23:51 - 6532 of 6906

Haystack: "I don't see Iran being any more likely to use a nuclear weapon than Israel."

I believe that you don't see it. Therein lies the problem, and is part of the reason that your views on this thread are seen as a tad naive and foolish.

cynic - 06 Dec 2012 01:51 - 6533 of 6906

fred - I think that the possession of them by Israel allows them to behave as ME bullies.
cynic - i think that is a complete non seq ..... welcome from miami!

ahoj - 06 Dec 2012 04:38 - 6534 of 6906

Gausie, Iran has signed the non-proliferation treaty so they oppose nuclear development anywhere in the world.

There's no doubt that the president of Iran and others including the leader are stupid, but I think you are making too much negative assumptions about the country's behavior. They did not attack any country over the last 100 years, that need a bit of respect IMO,

Haystack - 06 Dec 2012 09:52 - 6535 of 6906

Gausie
I think it is you that is naive,. It is really only Israel that is jumping up and down about Iran's nuclear ambitions. Only Israel is discussing attacking Iran. Saying that, there seem to be plenty of people within Israel who are less worried about Iran. The reaction by Israel is all too familiar. If there is something that Israel doesn't like then they think that they can resort to aggression. Fortunately, Israel is becoming more isolated. I think it suits Israel to have their allies, and in particular the US, believe that they are in imminent danger from Iran. I think that you will find that my views have more support than you think, even in Israel and certainly in the EU and the US.

fahel - 07 Dec 2012 08:47 - 6536 of 6906

Help reach 7,000 signatures by tonight! Thank Stevie Wonder for canceling his performance benefiting the Israeli army.

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/641/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12023

TANKER - 07 Dec 2012 09:21 - 6537 of 6906

hay EGYPT AS A NEW GOD CALLED MORSI will palestine have a new god .

TANKER - 07 Dec 2012 15:03 - 6538 of 6906

this is a terrorist but also a coward a man who hides behind women and children
when they is trouble he runs and hides Mr Meshaal ran operations from Damascus until February this year, when the unrest there prompted another move. He now bases himself in Qatar and Egypt

TANKER - 07 Dec 2012 15:35 - 6539 of 6906

qatar . HAY remember my post a while back about hamas and qatar .

Haystack - 07 Dec 2012 15:43 - 6540 of 6906

Very sensible. He has lived in Jordan, but Israel tried to assassinate him. He may be president soon.

Fred1new - 07 Dec 2012 16:05 - 6541 of 6906

Tanker.

Why don't you go for a drink in pub in Handsworth one night and shout across the bar you represent the views of UK and the BNP.

Sure you will go down well.

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TANKER - 07 Dec 2012 16:23 - 6542 of 6906

fred hitler would never have got so far if people like you had stood up instead of running that is why the english had to fight for your kind

TANKER - 07 Dec 2012 16:24 - 6543 of 6906

if it hurts then you no it is true

TANKER - 07 Dec 2012 16:25 - 6544 of 6906

now off to the club have a nice weekend

Fred1new - 07 Dec 2012 16:39 - 6545 of 6906

Tanker,

You weren't born before the end of WW2.

Britain was fighting for its own survival against Hitler, not out generosity of its leaders' hearts.

Luckily for other European countries, that USA eventually joined in and the rest of the Empire did not "disown" its relationships with the UK, etc..

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I think Britain's participation was justified and we were lucky.

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Have a nice trip to the club and make sure you voice your opinions.

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