Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Here is a summation c, seeing as you don't have one.




Why Cameron's case for Syria airstrikes is highly contentious


There is no clear strategy, objective or endgame, with one US commander describing the campaign in Syria and Iraq as a stalemate



story here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/26/syria-airstrikes-cameron-case-highly-contentious

max - now try reading the whole and posting a balanced excerpt instead of "doing a fred"

>There is no clear strategy, objective or endgame, with one US commander describing the campaign in Syria and Iraq as a stalemate



Which will produce "resentment", "detachment", "alienation" of more of the "surviving" adolescents "justifying" and resorting to "terrorist" type actions in the M.E. and abroad against those who have replace their present oppressors with a new variety of oppressors.

Also, will see the controlling forces as the responsible for the chaos which will arise.

Up and at "em", kill the heathens, they are nor like us. Or are they?
=-=-=-=

I did read it c, it reads really well for boots on the ground approach.


In one indication of the strength of the forces Cameron has made so much of, the US spent $600m (about £400m) training rebels to go back over the border into Syria. In the end, only 58 went back. Asked in September at a Congressional committee how many of them were still fighting, General Lloyd Austin said: “We are talking four or five.”

my own views are set out clearly in 65413 and 65419

no doubt the usual suspects will keep batting this round and round and round for at least the next week

Is Cameron going to have a chat with Saudi, or is it birds of a feather:

Saudi Arabia 'to execute more than 50 convicted of terrorism'
26 November 2015
From the section Middle East


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34931205



Perhaps, he wants to sell them a few more pieces of armoury.

No principles, but good business!

a partial version of the actuality of course
nevertheless, horrendous brutality, almost certainly to send out a warning to the (fundamentalist?) opponents of the current regime

much more interesting of course, or at least in my opinion, is that every one of the gulf states is keeping its head well below the parapet in this IS conflict
that doesn't mean that covert aid to "the west" is not being given, and perhaps quite substantially, but of course every one of these gulf states is intrinsically unstable, each one having strong fundamentalist elements in the upper ranks

As empty as JB.

But more to the liking of some:

Is Fred still bleating on ??

comme d'habitude ...... except he doesn't want to align himself with the french unless corbyn, abbott and mccluskey unexpectedly change their minds

Right. I'm sure the French are fretting on Fred supporting them.

If you don't try to annihilate these people and they carry on, don't you think this would encourage every other opposition/rebel of every Nation out there to do the same . We are in this now there's no going back you can't talk to ISIS it's obvious . the only thing good is that it seems most Nations are against them .( at least on the face of it ) Morality is gone for good it's survival of the fittest that's all thats left .

V - you're right in many ways, but there still needs to be a plan in place for after the event ...... of course, things never work out the way expected, but if no plan then a shambles MUST ensue

imo, there is indeed a plan being hatched but it will require collaboration all round and especially from putin with regard to replacing assad, albeit with a puppet and perhaps someone just as nasty in the long run

quite how the sunni/shia/fundamentalist factions will react is anyone's guess

cynic I'm just wondering if Putin will be difficult about Assad especially with the Turks situation .

Manuel,

Unlike you I am not feeble minded and running with the sheep.

Take Hazy one, it and JB with you, they should be good company!

Mind Haze hasn't got back from seeing Lynton yet.

-=-=====-=-=

What is interesting, to me, is when those who are prepared and advocate sending others to do the "killing" or be "killed" are uncertain about the results of the actions, but shout "loyalties" and cling to their own armchairs.

I would suggest some of these heroes volunteer to work in the "War Zones" after their applauded actions, caring for the maimed and carrying out the necessary rebuilding and reparation work.

Of course building "asylum" areas and Orphanages and Hospitals.

Victim.

"Morality is gone for good it's survival of the fittest that's all thats left ."


Interesting.

Have a close look at Darwinian Evolution Theory and how individuals and groups "survive" or are "replaced".

V - putin is forever flexing his muscles, but i guess that is his kgb background ...... there is no doubt that the turks gave the fighter pilot good warning, and he failed to respond; eventually putin will accept that, just as he did when the plane bomb was undeniable

=========

fred - sorry to see you have reverted to your customary very silly mode

Is Fred still bleating on and on ,posting silly cartoons ..

That was before the Internet Fred .