Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The trouble is that if Labour wins Oldham it will put pressure on Corbyn to leave. I want Corbyn to stay until the election. It is no coincidence that the Conservatives are giving Corbyn an easy ride. They desperately want him to remain as leader.

Max,

Didn’t know that quotation, but it rings true of present the present day tory political elite.

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It similar to the Cameron and Osborne, Crosby and his sycophants smearing many dependent of Welfare for the problems made in the city and financial services for their own economic mismanagement. Diversionary techniques, trying direct public attention from the real problems, and their own failures.

Also, attempting to misdirect attention, by smearing, the characters of political opponents who have differing opinions to themselves.

But the attempts to smear Corbyn and McDonnell may be wearing a little thin with the general public.

Haze.

I hope Corbyn remains leader, at least he looks honest in comparison with his opposite number.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-must-get-rid-of-this-talentless-cheerleader-for-outmoded-1970s-thinking-now-a6752926.html

Jeremy Corbyn: Labour must get rid of this talentless cheerleader for outmoded 1970s thinking – now

He should be replaced before he does any more damage to the party

http://www.opednews.com/articles/With-Us-or-with-the-Terro-by-James-Jatras-Isis_Oil_Putin_Syria-151128-943.html

Haze.

Check on your supporters when you refer to them.

Or, perhaps, your cheque!

The trouble is Fred you can do or say what you like in opposition , it's when you actually do have to make decisions in office .

voting per conscience
fred- if you asked the average joe whether he would back the reinstatement of capital punishment, i think there is little doubt that a large majority would vote aye

however, as has been shown several times in parliament, MPs vote strongly against

surely there is a parallel here with the vote on the extension of bombing to syria, on whether or not MPs should be coerced by their constituents on how to vote

Vic,

I agree.

The responsibility of "office" or "command" is not simple and I wouldn't want it and wouldn't consider myself capable of having such, but it is reasonable to be thinking and critical of decisions made, or being made.

Looking back I have made the wrong decisions too frequently and hopefully learnt from them.

today's ST - main section - #1/2
a good article by robert harris on the current state and future of the labour party

Story of my life = Wrong decisions .

Vic.

I think this cartoon sums up the present situation and reminds me of my father reminding me of the old adage "when in doubt, sit back and observe and think".

I suspect there are plenty of plans, but none of them addressing the real problem.

Manuel,

P 65511

From memory voting on Capital Punishment for the last 50-60 years has always been on a "vote of conscience".

I think that is acceptable.

Although, there are quite a few individuals who I would have like seen dispatched of, I think the abolishment was correct.

PS.

I met the man who arrested Timothy Evans. Even 10years after the execution
of Evans the policeman remained "certain" of Evans' guilt.

UMMMH

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fred - as i wrote yesterday, i am sure (and i hope that i am right) there is already much high-level discussion going on behind the scenes and in secret - as indeed it must be

your father may have been right in everyday situations, though procrastination is the thief of time, but we now have an extraordinary situation where a strong lead and decisions are necessary .....

for myself, i think (with some reluctance) that an extension of the bombing is correct, but i certainly accept that there is a counter-argument - it just happens that i do not agree with it though some of my children might (lively dinner-table debate last night)

fred - 65517 - exactly so and that is the point i thought i had made

Who do you want to bomb?

I think we should send murderers to Australia or somewhere .

The Thames Valley!

I have a feeling that if Hilary Benn feels there is a need to take action then we should . He feels the danger is these people returning pose a great threat to us .