Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Manuel,

"however, while i do not doubt his integrity, he is a sworn pacifist or certainly something close to it"


I am, as he states himself to be, anti-war and the use of unnecessary physical force, when or if possible. But, like him (from actual statements I have heard) would never rule it out. Many who knew me from earlier periods learnt that by experiences.

I have been aware of Corbyn for a while, but I have never paid much attention to him until he was elected leader of the Labour party, and before being directed to him by the current media and political anti-Corbyn agenda.

Cannot say I have heard him say a lot of what is being attributed to him by the media and idiots like Haze and other tribal members, as being actually muttered by him.

As far as me being scornful of Cameron, it is an attempt to counter false charges against Corbyn and his possible policies. Although, I have to admit many of the present tory ruling class clique of the present government irritate me and I see them as often being deliberately deceitful.

I don’t in general have the same opinion of all tories and certainly have doubts about the integrity of some members of the Labour and Liv/Dems etc.

Also, I think general deriding of all previous government policy and actions in general as a political weapon devalues democratic values and the individuals concern. It is perfectly reasonable to criticise previous actions, as long as the period of those actions and the intended goals are taken into consideration.

At present, I see the present government is an antipathy to what I would consider a supposedly elected government should be. It seems to be intent on governing for itself and the fellow privileged but not the “whole of a society”.

Syria, is complex and if involved I wouldn’t be able to tell my short termed friend from my long term enemy.

Sort that out first and then consider useful use of force.

The General Belgrano was an Argentine Navy cruiser which was controversially sunk by a British submarine during the 1982 Falklands War as she sailed away from the conflict zone. 323 people died, mainly young sea cadets.


Maggie Thatcher in the eyes of many was a War Criminal and guilty of murder and no better than ISIS terrorists.

Both having the madness to believe their actions justifiable.

Pick better heroines.

i don't have to sort out anything :-)
as in WW2, in times of crisis - and this is - my enemy's enemy is my friend

i would be very surprised if a deal was not struck with the russkies as it suits both sides

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btw, i don't think that any uk gov't is or has been especially self-seeking, though inevitably, for such is the game of politics, the ultimate aim is to stay in power as long as possible

And to hell with the Ukraine etc.

"btw, i don't think that any uk gov't is or has been especially self-seeking, though inevitably, for such is the game of politics, the ultimate aim is to stay in power as long as possible"

But it is not a game.

Stanley - Yourself and Fred daily, without fail, whinge and moan about the Tories. Not a problem as far as I'm concerned that is your prerogative. But baffles me how you can defend the antics of Corbyn, he is the biggest embarrassment to the Labour Party since Michael Foot. Great for the Cons and long may it last! :0)

"It strikes me that Cameron and conspirators arguments are poor and smearing and denigrating others are attempts to divert attention from their own weak reasoning and "moral" positioning."

"on this thread only ......
i can't really disagree with what you say about corbyn and the attacks on him"

Lets also not forget trying to change the subject when you have lost the point.. Thatcher for instance.

CC, Don't confuse your inaccurate charges with the exposures of said "Con" party.

No mention of the fishwife in the awards?

What awards?

I vote Labour, get me out of here!!! LOL!!!

Max what are you on about?

Sorry Stan, meant this...


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Apologies accepted Max -):

Robbed from across the road....



traderabc 30 Nov'15 - 20:20 - 8241 of 8248 0 0

“You may be confused about why we are bombing Iraq and Syria. So we will make ourselves very clear.

We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.

We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS has been supported by Saudi Arabia, whom we do like, and Saudi Arabia is now supporting us in bombing ISIS.

We don’t like President Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but not ISIS, which is also fighting against him.

We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government against ISIS

So some of our friends support our enemies and some of our enemies are our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies whom we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.

If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they might be replaced by people we like even less.

And all this was started by us invading Iraq to drive out terrorists who weren’t there until we went to drive them out.

We hope you now understand”.

Http://stopwar.org.uk/news/obama-and-cameron-clear-up-any-confusion-about-why-they-are-bombing-iraq-and-syria

That just about sums it up.

Apart from being substantially incorrect. But you would expect that from the Stop the War people, who rarely get anything right. You can see why Corbyn was their chairman.

More desperate propaganda from you.

It shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the relationships in the ME.

It would have been interesting to have concrete examples of Corbyn's theory that talking can solve these conflicts. To negotiate you have to know the aims and demands of the belligerents. What are those in reference to ISIL? Well they want control of everywhere from the Turkish border across Syria to the other side of Iraq. Hence; the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (the Levant being the old name for what is largely Syria now). That is a pretty difficult thing to negotiate. The closest situation would be Germany wanting control of Europe and then North Africa and Russia. Nevil Chamberlain tried the Corbyn approach and came back from chats with Mr Hitler with a piece of paper in which Hitler agreed to be a nice boy. Appeasement is the name of Corbyn's strategy.

Your just blind to the truth as usual.