Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

It would have been interesting to have concrete examples of Corbyn's theory that talking can solve these conflicts. To negotiate you have to know the aims and demands of the belligerents. What are those in reference to ISIL? Well they want control of everywhere from the Turkish border across Syria to the other side of Iraq. Hence; the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (the Levant being the old name for what is largely Syria now). That is a pretty difficult thing to negotiate. The closest situation would be Germany wanting control of Europe and then North Africa and Russia. Nevil Chamberlain tried the Corbyn approach and came back from chats with Mr Hitler with a piece of paper in which Hitler agreed to be a nice boy. Appeasement is the name of Corbyn's strategy.

Your just blind to the truth as usual.

it'll be great getting on the plane this afternoon and away from this roundabout

btw, of course politics is a game, even if a serious one .... just as are many if not most high court actions

Fred has finally driven you mad then cynic ?

no; indeed fred occasionally posts something sensible, as in much of 65704, even if i do not agree at all with his general political stance and belief in utopia - aka cloud-cuckoo-land

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btw, cameron's choice of words implying that anti-war voters were "terrorst symapthisers" were ill-advised at the very least, even if taken out of context (they probably were)

One of the problems with Syria seems to me is the "West" is trying to impose on Syria as they have done in Iraq is what they want and not what the Syrians and Iraqis want.

It would seem that the "West" and "Russia" are proposing to impose what will benefit themselves at the cost of the indigenous population.


I suggest the only problem is what do those who are still in Syria and Iraq really want.

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I feel that it would be reasonable for members of a government should be legally responsible for the actions they sanction and liable to pay compensation to the stakeholders they let down!

Might improve their decision making.

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Where Cameron out of vanity wants to lead his flock!

trying to impose on syria?????
i don't think so!!!!!!

assad is one problem, and that is certainly syria based, but IS is a totally different proposition ...... and surely i do not need to explain why

Your'e wasting your time people .

Is that Fred mumbling again ..

The Troll escapes his padded cell!

Manuel.

Assad kills thousands with barrel bombs,

Russia, wants to be bloody nuisance and kill any number of Syrians to help them be so.

ISIS cuts hundreds of heads off with scimitars.

Cameron wants to kill thousands with precision bombing.

While the rest of the Syrians wish to escape, but are being blocked at the borders.

Ummmmmmmm

now try reading what was written!

Agree to disagree, or just ignore him. :0)

Meanwhile.........

What would it mean for Labour to lose the Oldham West and Royton by-election?
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn faces his first test at the ballot box when voters pass judgement in Oldham West. But how bad could it be? (Does anybody really care?)

By Asa Bennett and Laurence Dodds7:00AM GMT 02 Dec 2015Comments6 Comments
This week Jeremy Corbyn faces its first electoral test since becoming leader. On Thursday, voters go to the polls for the Oldham West and Royton by-election triggered by the death of much-loved Labour MP Michael Meacher.
Meacher won the seat in May with 14,000 more votes than Ukip's candidate – a majority which should be unassailable. But as Corbyn faces week after week of negative headlines, Labour insiders fear it could be dramatically slashed.
A private party poll last week suggested it could drop by half, while shadow chancellor John McDonnell this week seemed to be preparing for a majority of less than 1,000.
If that happened – of if, somehow, they lost the seat entirely – disgruntled Labour MPs who have so far stayed their hands might begin seriously thinking about a coup.
So how bad could it get?

First, a health warning. By-election results can offer signs of trouble ahead, but they are famously poor predictors of general election results. This is partly because the composition of the electorate is different, and partly because their special, one-off nature makes voters do unusual things.
So as any pollster worth her salt will tell you, you can't just take a by-election result and generalise it across the entire country.
However, given the Labour party leadership is currently touting online polls comprising a couple thousand of their supporters as evidence of public opinion, we thought: why not do it anyway?
We consulted the political forecasting firm Electoral Calculus to generate some fantasy Oldham results, and then used their handy custom swing generator to sketch out what would happen if these results were replicated on the national scale.

Telegraph.

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Unfortunately, UKIP have a massive uphill task.
They have to counter the votes of the terminally stupid who vote labour just because that's what their parents did, the votes of the benefit brigade and the questionable postal votes of our new citizens.

The deck is well and truly stacked against them.



After being kicked out of Scotland, Labour now have to rely on the immigrant population for their core support. Keir Hardie must be rolling in his grave.

n so many ways, I'd be disappointed. Not because I'm a Corbyn fan, moreover because I appreciate we've moved back to two distinct political Party's and that we at least now have an opposition in Parliament. That is two Party's that fundamentally disagree. This means, for the first time in decades, that we have a Parliament functioning as it was designed to do so.

No Labour voter is going to switch to the Conservatives and any polling model which assumes otherwise will produce a wrong result. Labour voters who have seen the light will either abstain or switch to Ukip.

The E U deal with Turkey has been done,and Cameron let it happen without a fight.
So 75 million Turks will be able to come to Britain in October 2016, because of the deal. I despair.
UKIP are the only party that puts us first. I hope labour lose,they won,t of course their supporters are like sheep.

So Stan you said Turkey wouldn't be allowed into EU . Here cometh the beggining of the end of Britain .

Manuel.

Do you mean this statement?


assad is one problem, and that is certainly syria based, but IS is a totally different proposition ...... and surely i do not need to explain why

If so, I am "afraid" you have to.

corbyn what a lunatic and liar look at is past it tells you all
no principles no morals no gut
corbyn raise the white flag
if labour under this scumbag ever got to power then all the forces personel
may as well resign they would be pointless

fred I have sent the labour party 6 e mails no replies
yet in the election was getting 5 a day the party of scum now disgusting worthless scum to a shamed to answer questions

Don't hold back TANK! :0)