Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Labour party activists have been emailing Labour rebels with pictures of dead babies and children all day. This has had the effect of making them more resolute to defy their leader.

Hays,

Perhaps, you should look at the pictures and remember them when the planes go in with their missiles.

Perhaps, looking at your own children at the same time.


Somebody C+P.

Another nonsense story.

In Syria, Britain is making the same mistakes all over again

A Conservative MP explains why he cannot back a plan to fight Islamic State which does nothing about the toxic politics which feed it



By Adam Holloway MP

9:51PM GMT 01 Dec 2015


Since 1984, when I was an 18-year-old spending part of my gap year with the Afghan resistance to the Russians, I have seen wars in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. And throughout those years, as a schoolboy, a soldier, an ITN reporter and a Parliamentarian, I have learned the blindingly obvious: the problems of these countries only get fixed when you fix the broken politics.

And yet for the last 15 years I have watched British governments join or create international "coalitions" that have used military force without understanding what drives each conflict on the ground. This ignorance has had disastrous consequences for tens of millions of people in the Middle East and North Africa.


So last week, on the plane back from a visit to Iraq and Turkey, I knew that in the imminent "bomb Syria" debate I would have stand up and say that I simply do not know enough about the big plan to fix the broken politics. That after the last “bomb Syria” vote in 2013 (Assad that time), I do not have confidence that there is any such plan at all.


Indeed, some of the people pressing for bombing now are putting it about that, had we bombed the Assad regime two years ago, Syria would not have descended into the chaos we see today... How are they getting on in Libya?



More common sense here:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12028072/In-Syria-Britain-is-about-to-make-the-same-mistakes-all-over-again.html

It is all pretty academic as Cameron will get good majority. Plenty of Lab rebels plus the Libs and the DUP. Unlikely to be more than 10 Conservative rebels.

Have you or your family and or friends got any shares in the arms industry by any chance?

Hilary Benn standing at the despatch box with Corbyn sitting next to him as he is talking in support of the government. Corbyn looking glum. Benn looking like a possible new leader of Labour.

Corbyn looking like yesterday's news.

Have you or your family and or friends got any shares in the arms industry by any chance?

Benn is making a much better speech that Corbyn did by a long way.

Have you or your family and or friends got any shares in the arms industry by any chance?

Benn's speech was cheered and clapped by both sides of the house. The Foreign Secretary praised the speech and said it would go down as one of the great speeches in Parliament.

I don't own arms shares unfortunately, but I wish I did. Arms manufacture is a perfectly respectable business. Where would we be without arms to defend ourselves? If it hadn't been for Churchill, prior to WWII, realising the rise of Nazism and scaling up arms production we might have lost the war.

And what about your family and friends?

No idea. I don't discuss their shareholdings. If you have a pension that you or your employer contribute to, then you can bet that it is invested partly in arms companies. The same applies if you have unit trusts, assurance policies or insurance policies of any kind including car and household. All of them invest in the stock market including arms companies. You support arms companies in many ways that you may not be aware of.

It looks like 67 Labour MPs voted for the government.

No idea. You don't discuss their shareholdings? oh really.

The rest is irrelevant to me.

Why would I discuss anyone's shareholdings? It is all a bit unimportant.